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MetalMichelangelo Since: Nov, 2012
#125476: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:36:16 AM

>That's incorrect; Marth and Roy were originally supposed to be Japanese Exclusive characters because Sakurai knew they had no appeal in the West. But because Melee was rushed, he couldn't remove them from the Roster for Western Release, and that is why we have Marth and Roy in Western Smash.

Wha? The game was going to have different country based rosters? What about Smash 4 where Sakurai wanted them to have the same roster to the point of cuttting the Ice Climbers because they couldn't work well on the 3DS. Besides why would the lack of appeal be a factor in stopping their inclusion, as stated earlier, Earthbound didn't do too well and Ness got in the first smash anyway.

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#125477: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:37:27 AM

[up]Melee was a different time. Most people wouldn't know if one version of the game had less content than another.

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DoorCurtain Since: Nov, 2017
#125478: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:40:15 AM

[up]Yeah I think one of the Marvel vs. Capcom games has a Japan exclusive character based on a Japanese comedian whose super move is a nosebleed.

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#125479: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:45:53 AM

[up]x3 Also, Ness wasn't originally intended for Smash Bros 64. It's just that Sakurai and his small team got extra time for the game, and they decided to make extra characters (all the unlockables) using the skeletons of the base roster (Jigglypuff from Kirby, Luigi and Ness from Mario, and I forget who Captain Falcon got his skeleton from, I think it was Samus but I could be wrong).

ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#125480: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:47:00 AM

Supposedly, Lucas was going to replace Ness in Melee but since Mother 3 was delayed they decided against that idea.

I'm glad Marth and Roy weren't region only. Marth was one of my mains in Melee. I just want Sakurai and the developers to ease back on seeing a new Smash roster each time and immediately thinking 'FIRE EMBLEM!'

This Byleth shitstorm could only have been worse if they went with their original plan and ended Ultimate on FP character 5.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#125481: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:56:13 AM

This will probably, at the very least, be the last Fire Emblem character for awhile (though I’m disappointed that none of the House Leaders are proper fighters).

Anyway, I would suggest that we all calm down and try to make peace. Byleth’s in the game, and we’ll still be getting more fighters after this.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jan 20th 2020 at 12:59:01 PM

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DoorCurtain Since: Nov, 2017
#125482: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:57:40 AM

Though I don't mind Byleth, I hope we get more Nintendo fan requested newcomers that aren't from Fire Emblem.

Emphasis on fan requested because I know Piranha Plant technically counts, but they're not what I had in mind. Plus PP was meant for the base roster anyway.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#125483: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:58:28 AM

[up][up]Don't tempt fate...

Edited by WackyPancake on Jan 20th 2020 at 7:01:01 PM

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#125484: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:59:47 AM

The only thing that bugs me is that The Legend Of Zelda effectively only has three characters, plus three alternate versions of those characters. Shiek at least plays and looks unique, but Young Link and Toon Link are basically echo fighters. I know the games don't have a lot in terms of regular main characters, but come on. There's plenty of worthy characters, even if they only appeared in one game.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#125485: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:00:56 AM

Fire Emblem is a series with decades of history and a new set of main characters in almost every game, giving dozens of potential characters without even taking secondary characters into consideration. And since Awakening, they’ve pretty consistently been big sellers for Nintendo. They absolutely should be getting a lot of characters in Smash Bros.

Yes, a bunch of them are basically the same. That sucks. But two of them are now explicitly echoes of the other two, and Roy being the same as Marth is a problem that goes all the way back to Melee. The other four are completely different from the first four and each other.

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#125486: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:02:38 AM

Besides, Fire Emblem has a ton of characters so it makes sense they have near the rep level of Pokemon.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 20th 2020 at 10:02:59 AM

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#125487: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:03:12 AM

They really shouldn't be getting more than Zelda or Kirby tho.

[up] Pokémon is literally the highest grossing multimedia franchise of all time. You can't really compare.

Edited by WackyPancake on Jan 20th 2020 at 7:06:24 PM

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#125488: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:03:36 AM

A Genealogy of the Holy War remake is probably happening in the near future, so look forward to Sigurd in Fighter Pass 2.

(Genealogy is a pretty darn good game)

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#125489: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:03:36 AM

[up][up] Because?

[up] Wait, i thought you hated Fire Emblem?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 20th 2020 at 10:03:55 AM

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#125490: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:04:39 AM

If I hated Fire Emblem I probably wouldn't have played Genealogy, Awakening, and all three versions of Fates.

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#125491: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:04:45 AM

[up]x4 Eh, I don’t know about Kirby...

Zelda, maybe, but as I’ve said before, they don’t really have a lot of recurring characters in that series, and Smash doesn’t really do non-protagonist one-shots.

I support Midna, at least.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jan 20th 2020 at 1:05:23 PM

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#125492: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:05:08 AM

It's not like Zelda doesn't have regulars (Impa or Tingle) or characters that were prominent when they did make their appearance (Midna, Ghirahim, for example)

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#125493: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:05:30 AM

You'd think people would be more up in arms about Link, given that they are the same person, more ore less. Or that Dark Samus became less unique when it became a character vs being an Assist Trophy.

Three Links, three Samuses, two Marios, two proto-Raichus, with plenty off asterisks all over that sentence.

I wonder how people would react if Paper Mario got in.

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#125494: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:05:50 AM

Actually, Impa would be a good one, now that I think of it.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#125495: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:06:24 AM

We are up in arms about Link and Zelda representation in Smash but for different reasons.

Toon Link could easily have been a fully unique character using the weapons from Wind Waker.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#125496: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:06:27 AM

I wouldn't mind Tingle. Sure, Americans Hate Tingle, but people hated the Duck Hunt Dog too.

Kirby is much more iconic and less niche than FE.

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#125497: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:08:07 AM

I'm pretty sure this is essentially the reason why the option is there to stack Echo Fighters on top of their source character in the CSS; to stop all of the whinging about 'character slots'.

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#125498: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:10:15 AM

[up]x11 TBF, Zelda and Kirby don't change up the entire cast from game to game. You can argue Zelda technically does, but you still have reincarnations of the same core characters and occasionally side characters like Tingle and Impa throughout the series. So in terms of major players throughout both franchises, it's really just Link, Zelda, and Ganon in Zelda, and Kirby, Metaknight, and Dedede in Kirby.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jan 20th 2020 at 12:17:15 PM

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#125500: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:17:33 AM

I mean there is a reason why I listed the Zelda charterers I would had picked for Smash for the 8 character thing. Pretty much everybody there I listed appeared in one or two gamesnote  each (though admittedly I might had missed Midna)


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