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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#125451: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:41:07 AM

^People acting like Nintendo has to earn the right to put their own characters into their own video game baffle me. "Walking commercials"? No one gives Ness crap for being a "Trojan Horse" for a game that was regarded as a failure when Smash 1 came out, or Lucas for coming from a game that still isn't available in English. F-Zero X had only been out for a year when Falcon was introduced (yes, I know the original came out in 1990), and Kirby's introduction served to hype up Kirby 64 the year after Smash 1 was released.

People are plenty allowed to dislike Byleth, Three Houses, Fire Emblem, or any of the above's inclusion in Smash, and it's all entirely fair. People can like or dislike things as they please. But that argument in particular doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

It's been fun.
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#125452: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:48:15 AM

There aren't eight Kirby, Earthbound or F-Zero characters either.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#125453: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:49:20 AM

Everyone is definitely in the game to sell other things at the end of the day, true. X and Y hadn't come out yet when Greninja went into development and a similar story was told concerning Sakurai needing to look at concept art and designs to get a feel for the character.

Still, Pokemon is the biggest multimedia franchise in the world, and Mario's the biggest video game franchise in the world, and both present a generally diverse, distinct selection of characters to choose from in Smash.

Fire Emblem doesn't come close to either and yet it's somehow the 3rd most represented franchise in the game, with a very uniform selection of characters who largely look and play the same.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#125454: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:51:46 AM

[up][up][up]In that sense, even the other DLC could be seen as walking advertisements. The Hero? Dragon Quest XI was getting a switch port in the next several months. Banjo Kazooie? Microsoft probably wouldn't mind getting some otherwise diehard Nintendo fans to pick up an Xbox for the sake of some Banjo. Even the KOF and Fatal Fury games that had been ported to the switch could get a boost from someone like Terry getting into Smash, and probably did.

Edited by kkhohoho on Jan 20th 2020 at 11:19:08 AM

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#125455: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:54:52 AM

It's that Fire Emblem has all the issues put together.

You can't just say "don't be mad because Banjo is also an advertisement" because there's not seven other characters who look exactly like Banjo where half of them play exactly the same.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#125456: Jan 20th 2020 at 8:59:00 AM

I think I would have preferred a Byleth with more of a Stance System than what we got.

At the very least, their Smash attacks could have had the Peach/Daisy property where it would be Sword, Lance, or Axe based on the direction you move the stick in while charging.

DoorCurtain Since: Nov, 2017
#125457: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:04:39 AM

https://twitter.com/Grimshade89/status/1218978204322394112?s=19

Small thread showing that the Twitter thread linked at the bottom of the last page leaves a LOT of things out.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#125458: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:06:14 AM

At this point everyone and their Grandmother knows why people are or aren't mad about Byleth.

SO ONCE AGAIN HERE'S YOSHIMITSU, FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT.


Character breakdown for Yoshimitsu (Tekken and Soul Calibur series)

Moves are based on their Tekken 7 and Soul Calibur 6 incarnations. Stage comes from Soul Calibur 3, quotes come from Soul Calibur 2. 4 costumes each from Tekken and Soul Calibur.

Move list:

Special properties: Some moves heal or do self damage. Stances and certain other moves can chain into each other with specific commands. What a command does is labeled with "=", while the chain is labeled with a ">".

Neutral

Throws

Tilts

Smashes

  • Up = Slap U Silly (Self-damage, and trip, when fully charged)
  • Forward = Death Slash > hold A to charge attack, hold Forward+A to move while charging
  • Down = Manji Spin Low Kicks (Self-damage, and trip, when fully charged)

Aerials

Specials are Stances. Any input not stated will return to regular standing, or helpless fall during Dragonfly)

Final Smash: "Manji Legacy" - 10 Hit Combo 1, if final hit hits anything, it causes the cinematic Critical Edge "Ghost Thief Funeral" If Ghost Thief Funeral hits, it steals a little health from any enemy caught in it.

Character Details

Stage: Sacred Mt. Fuji - Lava Bed. If gimmicks are turned off, the battlefield variant becomes Astral Chaos - Spiritual Realm.

Taunts: Combine some of his more eccentric poses with basically any of his quotes.

Costumes:

  1. Tekken Tag 2 Player 1
  2. Soul Calibur 6 Player 1
  3. Tekken 3 Player 1
  4. Soul Calibur 3 Player 1
  5. Tekken 7 Player 1
  6. One referencing Voldo (Soul Calibur 2)
  7. One referencing Ancient Ogre's standard look
  8. One referencing Heihachi's standard shirtless look in both series

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#125459: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:07:20 AM

Small thread showing that the Twitter thread linked at the bottom of the last page leaves a LOT of things out.

"You fool, Byleth doesn't use a sword. He uses a whip sword. You simpleton. You prodigious buffoon."

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125460: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:09:02 AM

Should have been a Belmont echo smh

Uni cat
MEKristian Since: Nov, 2009
#125461: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:11:53 AM

Also, remind me again when we first saw footage for Three Houses that shows Byleth?

DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#125462: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:13:54 AM

From one of the twitter threads:

The only reason Marth and Roy were in Melee is because Sakurai wanted to sort of trojan horse Fire Emblem into the west, and it worked.

That's incorrect; Marth and Roy were originally supposed to be Japanese Exclusive characters because Sakurai knew they had no appeal in the West. But because Melee was rushed, he couldn't remove them from the Roster for Western Release, and that is why we have Marth and Roy in Western Smash. Obviously, by Brawl or even Ultimate we would've gotten at least Marth in western releases of Smash, but this part is just wrong.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#125463: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:15:43 AM

Imagine a world where Marth and Roy were cut and Fire Emblem never caught on in the West.

Isn't it beautiful

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#125464: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:16:31 AM

[up]jfc, a good number of your posts, for *days*, have been exaggerating and mocking other people's reactions way out of proportion.

It's more noticeable with you than with anyone else, and you had been called out on it before.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jan 20th 2020 at 11:17:32 AM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#125465: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:16:54 AM

[up][up] Nah, we wouldn't have the glory of Three Houses and salty reactions to Byleth being in Smash.

Byleth still looks fun to play.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 20th 2020 at 9:17:47 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125466: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:18:00 AM

[up] But we wouldn't be getting your annoying comments either

Uni cat
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#125467: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:18:40 AM

[up] Exactly. Isn't it beautiful? cool

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125468: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:20:06 AM

[up] No it isn't

I just hope Crash is next.

Uni cat
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#125469: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:20:57 AM

[up] Have fun realizing other people play Fire Emblem.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#125470: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:21:52 AM

jfc, a good number of your posts, for *days*, have been exaggerating and mocking other people's reactions way out of proportion.

It's more noticeable with you than with anyone else, and you had been called out on it before.

I believe we've established that cartoonish levels of spite over this children's video game is how we're supposed to roll.

Edited by RodimusMinor on Jan 20th 2020 at 12:22:09 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#125471: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:23:00 AM

[up] Least you are a good sport about it. And honest.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#125472: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:24:37 AM

I think Byleth looks really fun, and I don't even play Fire Emblem.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#125473: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:26:47 AM

Look dude, the salt about Byleth has diminished considerably. We don't need a HOES MAD reminder every two days. And what has FE have to do anyway? I don't hate the series, i hate the smug people rubbing the supposed salt in other people's faces. That is annoying and borderline against the rules so stop it.

Uni cat
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#125474: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:29:44 AM

[up]I agree with you, but the salt is real, and just as annoying.

And on that note,

[up][up][up],[up][up][up][up]If you guys want, you know you could just have a Petty Salt / HOES MAD circlejerk in P Ms and let the thread move on.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Jan 20th 2020 at 11:35:44 AM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#125475: Jan 20th 2020 at 9:35:23 AM

[up] Nah, leave that for when Byleth actually releases, think we both are done here.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 20th 2020 at 9:35:37 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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