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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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Sep 10th 2019 at 4:25:27 PM

I was saying that I wanted A Link To The Past Ganon in the game just a few pages ago, and I also brought up my theory that the reason there aren't any classic Ganon Spirits is because they're planning to add Ganon as DLC with those Spirits alongside him at some point in the future.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 4:27:34 PM

I keep trying to convince people that classic Ganon would be a cool new addition to Smash but no one wants to hear it. sad

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Ever since I came to terms that we're never getting a Ganondorf that isn't partially based off of Captain Falcon, I started rooting for Ganon from the 2D Zelda games. I imagine him as the slowest heavyweight in the game in terms of mobility, aside from having his teleport move, which is the best teleport in Smash. True to his boss fights and gives him a distinct niche among the heavyweights.

Edited by DoorCurtain on Sep 10th 2019 at 4:28:33 AM

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Sep 10th 2019 at 4:53:14 PM

> and I also brought up my theory that the reason there aren't any classic Ganon Spirits

I think its possible they went "OK,Ganondorf is really popular alongside Link and Zelda,but we've already got a big monster like Bowser,we'd have to scale them to the same sort of size,as well as give them similar similar moves" so going with humanoid Ganondorf meant using Falcon's moves instead,or something

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Sep 10th 2019 at 4:54:48 PM

I mean, the reason classic ganon is nowhere to be found is because the devs consider OOT Ganon as the same.

Sure, Beast Ganon and Calamity Ganon are spirits, but i think that's because both don't overlap much with pig ganon

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Sep 10th 2019 at 4:56:30 PM

Reminds me of the first time I saw Giga Bowser,he reminded me a lot of Ganon due to his size and features

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Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Sep 10th 2019 at 5:18:52 PM

[up][up][up]There are so many different versions of classic Ganon out there, you know that Ganondorf is only in three games, right (well, four if you include Breath of the Wild 2)? Almost every other Zelda game has Ganon as the main villain, he's been in so many more games than Ganondorf across the series.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 10th 2019 at 5:20:20 AM

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Sep 10th 2019 at 5:22:49 PM

Also that...most all of them won't come back.

People have been saying this since the Smash 4 pre-release and, oops, they keep coming back. Even Snake came back for Ultimate, and we got two more playable Konami characters after him, plus two assist trophies and a boss. I really don't think the third-party characters are going anywhere at this point.

Ever since I came to terms that we're never getting a Ganondorf that isn't partially based off of Captain Falcon, I started rooting for Ganon from the 2D Zelda games. I imagine him as the slowest heavyweight in the game in terms of mobility, aside from having his teleport move, which is the best teleport in Smash. True to his boss fights and gives him a distinct niche among the heavyweights.

I can see Ganon being as slow as Incineroar, but any slower than that and he'd be unbearable to play. Maybe he could have an extra long roll dodge (that also makes him invisible, of course) to compensate.

I also don't think he would physically run. He'd probably float like Cloud and Mewtwo.

I mean, the reason classic ganon is nowhere to be found is because the devs consider OOT Ganon as the same.

Sure, Beast Ganon and Calamity Ganon are spirits, but i think that's because both don't overlap much with pig ganon

There are a ton of Link and Zelda spirits, though, and there's much more overlap between the different incarnations of those two than between OoT!Ganon and ALttP!Ganon. Classic Ganon didn't even get a sticker in Brawl. I honestly couldn't tell you why he's so neglected.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 5:38:10 PM

[up]Sakurai has outright said that not all third-parties will be coming back after Ultimate (which made a concerted effort to keep everyone and almost failed). I doubt they'll even try for some of them.

Edited by LordVatek on Sep 10th 2019 at 8:38:45 AM

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Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Sep 10th 2019 at 5:38:59 PM

Weird, looking through the Smash Bros wiki, it looks like classic Ganon has actually NEVER been represented in any Smash game in any form. That's just... WRONG.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 5:40:28 PM

[up][up][up] How long ago did he say that? I know he struggled to get Cloud back, but then Square-Enix gave him the Dragon Quest Heroes, so maybe whatever miscommunication they had has been resolved.

Edited by ThriceCharming on Sep 10th 2019 at 6:40:41 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
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Sep 10th 2019 at 5:42:37 PM

[up]Banjo's video last week.

Edited by LordVatek on Sep 10th 2019 at 8:42:54 AM

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Sep 10th 2019 at 5:46:32 PM

...I watched that video twice and don't remember that at all.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
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Sep 10th 2019 at 5:49:56 PM

[up]It's at the end. The exact quote is "Even if the Super Smash Bros. series continues forward, I doubt there will ever be another opportunity to have this many characters together again".

Edited by LordVatek on Sep 10th 2019 at 8:51:07 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Sep 10th 2019 at 5:50:52 PM

It was more like "I don't know if the next Smash game will be able to have everyone like this game did, so I want to keep adding more DLC characters and worlds to this game".

That aside, it's bizarre that Smash has never included classic Ganon in any way, shape, or form. Even K. Rool consistently got a trophy.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 5:52:33 PM

Ganon barely even got acknowledgement to begin with, only, what, if it directly related to a playable character at most? I don't think we had Puppet Ganon either?

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Sep 10th 2019 at 6:02:19 PM

Maybe they didn't want people to confuse him with the Ganon in Ganondorf's Final Smash/the World of Light boss fight. But even then, that doesn't make sense, because they've shown many different Links, Zeldas, and even Ganondorfs.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 6:04:05 PM

Yeah, I don't think Sakurai would willingly cut any third-party character (or first-party character), except for logistical reasons. He's always said that "Every character is someone's favorite" and tries to keep cuts to a minimum because of it. The question is, will the third-party IP holders still want to play ball next time? Some of them, like Konami and Square-Enix, have a reputation of being tricky to deal with, but given how successful Ultimate is and how warmly their characters were received, I don't anticipate many problems.

And yes, it's pretty wild that classic Ganon has gone ignored for so long! I've been thinking about starting a Twitter account to advocate for him, like the Kremling Kampaigner, but I don't actually know what to put in it.

At the very least, his art from A Link Between Worlds would make a killer spirit.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 6:41:21 PM

Honestly A Ts being playable in the same game they're A Ts in would defeat the purpose of A Ts themselves. They remain as a stand in for chars that aren't playable but enough to have a purpose outside of being a trophy/spirit. Making one playable just means you might as well make another playable and so on/so forth to the point you might as well not have the system in the first place. For characters like Little Mac and Isabelle it makes sense for them to be playable in the later games due to wanting to wait a while to promote them to actual character status plus wanting to rotate out old assist trophies. Though not every char thats an AT deserves to be playable tbh. Some work best as A Ts and A Ts specifically.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 7:03:03 PM

I'm honestly surprised that Ray 01 from Custom Robo still isn't playable, especially since size stopped being an issue ever since Olimar entered the battlefield.

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S.M.
Sep 10th 2019 at 7:20:32 PM

He's a costume now, mang.

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Sep 10th 2019 at 7:25:16 PM

[up]That's Ray MK III. Also, some fighters are also Mii costumes already so I really don't see your point.

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S.M.
Sep 10th 2019 at 7:27:51 PM

Which fighters? The ones returning from Smash 4?

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Sep 10th 2019 at 7:35:03 PM

Captain Falcon, King K. Rool, Mario, Wool Yoshi, Fox, Isabelle, Samus, Inkling, Link, Chrom, and Erdrick. And those are just the ones with full costumes. Some fighter outfits are just hats.

Edited by bennusmagnus on Sep 10th 2019 at 9:38:00 AM

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Sep 10th 2019 at 7:37:12 PM

Oh you meant after...

That's better then...

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