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Jun 12th 2019 at 7:16:50 AM

Now that we actually have a remix from a Western composer, my dream of Smash music done by Jake "virt" Kaufman takes a step closer to reality.

Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Jun 12th 2019 at 7:25:18 AM

Dragon Warrior would've been neat too. Japanese name probably could be Dragon Quester?

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Weirdguy149 Your worst nightmare from The back of your mind Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Your worst nightmare
Jun 12th 2019 at 7:26:36 AM

Wouldn't Dreamworks get pissed off about that, since Kung Fu Panda is a thing?

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fasoman1996 Hamston ball from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Hamston ball
Jun 12th 2019 at 7:28:31 AM

Dragon Warrior is a generic title that i've seen in plenty of media.

I shall use Po as the new meme suggestion

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Irene Drathe Perrywinkle from Friend Code: 1203-9265-8784 and 4571-1389-1915 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Drathe Perrywinkle
Jun 12th 2019 at 7:56:47 AM

It's a generic title. They can't copyright all words in general.

I honestly doubt they were going to go with the cute reference and had always planned it with Hero, using Luminary as the base as is. It makes a lot of sense, especially from the development time, which is when XI was the main game of note.

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Jun 12th 2019 at 9:04:47 AM

The Japanese name for the "Hero" class that most DQ protagonists belong to, "yuusha", is a term that was popularized by Dragon Quest (i.e. it was rarely ever used in Japanese before the DQ series named their heroes that), so calling them "Yuusha" in Japanese is less generic than it is an acknowledgement that the term is used to call back to DQ in general Japanese pop culture, so it fits.

The "Hero" name in other territories does seem kind of eh in that respect, and I was a bit let down that like in Japanese the character is named after their shared class because DQ is far from the only famous series to use the term "Hero." But it still makes sense regardless, they all belong to the series' Hero class after all.

Edited by DoorCurtain on Jun 12th 2019 at 9:06:29 AM

Jun 12th 2019 at 10:04:40 AM

You know, even if I'm not fond of The Hero, they're getting screwed.

So far, it looks like they don't have English dub voices ala Cloud. Yesterday, someone told me that they Mewtwo'd them. They talk in their Japanese trailers but just grunt in the English.

And most likely, we're only getting those 2 songs from the trailer as far as DQ music is concerned. Notice how qucikly we got a nice preview of Spiral Mountain on the Smash website Meanwhile DQ didn't a get song preview. Because "lol Square" and asshole composer.

Weirdguy149 Your worst nightmare from The back of your mind Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Your worst nightmare
Jun 12th 2019 at 10:16:09 AM

At least there'll be spirits. That's an edge over Final Fantasy.

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fasoman1996 Hamston ball from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Hamston ball
Jun 12th 2019 at 10:16:37 AM

Look at the bright side.

4 spirits over two tonguetonguetonguetonguetongue

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Jun 12th 2019 at 10:18:17 AM

Maybe they could go the Lunar 2 route and name him Hiro :P

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Mecha and Waifu, become one!
Jun 12th 2019 at 10:31:16 AM

Don't get why people are complaining about the name when we have Villager and Pokemon Trainer as names, DESPITE the latter having canon names (Leaf and Red).

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JRads47 The end of Humanity is pretty cringe from my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
The end of Humanity is pretty cringe
Jun 12th 2019 at 10:32:27 AM

Hero sounds more generic than either of those titles.

How am I supposed to know the Joker is insane if he doesn't have a 𝒟𝒶𝓂𝒶𝑔𝑒𝒹 tattoo
BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive
The Fastest Man Alive
Jun 12th 2019 at 10:45:47 AM

Pokémon Trainer, sure. But how is Villager less generic than Hero?

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Mr. Speaker
Jun 12th 2019 at 10:57:52 AM

I guess Villager would seem less generic because he's pretty much the only fighter who fits that description (well, until Isabelle was added). But a huge portion of the fighters are heroes, if not The Hero of their game.

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RAlexa21th Cuteness lover from California Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Cuteness lover
Jun 12th 2019 at 10:59:19 AM

OOT and TP Links and Shulk are at least 3 other people with that description, but I agree that Villager is a less commonly used word.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Jun 12th 2019 at 10:59:59 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
Not really a lord of anything
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:01:58 AM

No one else is really referred to as "Hero". It might sound generic on paper but in practice, pretty much everyone will know who mean if you just say "Hero".

That said, I'm still sticking with Erdrick.

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Weirdguy149 Your worst nightmare from The back of your mind Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Your worst nightmare
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:09:11 AM

Hero describes about 75% of the roster.

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Jun 12th 2019 at 11:13:44 AM

If someone doesn't know Joker, then when you say Joker they'll ask "who?"

If someone doesn't know Hero, then when you say Hero they'll ask "which one?"

Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:14:10 AM

The problem with using "The Hero" is that many characters in the game would be described using that exact title. It isn't too weird to even introduce a character as "The Hero from that game" (IE, Link is the hero of The Legend of Zelda Games). It's a bit like if there was a character named "Player Character" (not quite as bad, but close).

By contrast, Pokemon Trainer is the only character who fits that description at all and his name tells you exactly what games he's from. Same thing goes with Duck Hunt Dog-that's probably not even the dog's real name, but he's "the dog from duck hunt".

Villager is a bit more generic than Pokemon Trainer, but it does let you know that the most notable thing about him is that he's a Villager which does say a lot about him (IE, fights with gardening tools and the like).

[up]Well if someone doesn't know Joker and you mention him, they'll probably act confused and say "The Batman character?"

Edited by Protagonist506 on Jun 12th 2019 at 11:15:09 AM

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fasoman1996 Hamston ball from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Hamston ball
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:18:43 AM

"The" is a very important distinction between Joker and The Joker. /s

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive
The Fastest Man Alive
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:30:57 AM

[up][up] The character is actually just called “Duck Hunt.”

[up] I see you /s, but I feel compelled to point out that Batman’s Joker is frequently referred to without the article in front of his name...as I have just demonstrated. tongue

Edited by BadWolf21 on Jun 12th 2019 at 1:32:00 PM

Jun 12th 2019 at 11:32:34 AM

Unless you're in Europe, where they're erroneously called Duck Hunt Duo (there's the light gunner off-screen, it's actually a trio!)

fasoman1996 Hamston ball from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Hamston ball
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:40:46 AM

Should have gone for Duck Hunt Team.

In any case, as usual for Tv Tropes. Shoehorned and misused YMMV entries follow popular new announcements. So, i decided to bring up Super Smash Bros..

For 64:

  • Though her franchise was, and still is, a well-known part of Nintendo's library, it's probably safe to say that Samus Aran wasn't very anticipated due to not having a single game in the series on the Nintendo 64.
  • Out of the eight original starting characters, the most unexpected was very likely Fox McCloud, who was usually never seen outside of his Arwing.
  • In the same vein as Fox, Captain Falcon was also quite the surprise because he'd only been in racing games up until that point. Granted, his inclusion was mitigated by his in-game background as a bounty hunter, but it still caught a lot of F-Zero fans off guard.

These are a couple of old entries. The first one is speculative, otherwise why isn't Luigi listed? He didn't have a mainline appearance until Luigi's Mansion during the late 90s.

As for Fox and Falcon. I feel they can stay or not depending on your reasoning. Sure, you have no reason to expect pilots if you never actually seen them outside of their vehicle but are they that unexpected? I can at least agree Falcon can be an Unexpected Character (All the unlockables sans Luigi were)

I just don't think 64 lends itself to have an entry like that.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive
The Fastest Man Alive
Jun 12th 2019 at 11:45:07 AM

Frankly, those entries shouldn’t exist unless you can point to something indicating people expected anything whatsoever out of the original game. Pre-release buzz was not the same in the late ‘90s as it is now.


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