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Mar 10th 2019 at 11:29:29 PM

[up]Oh geez, that Sukapon Spirit battle kicked my ass so many times. I ended up using Dark Samus equipped with Spirits that increased throwing powers, and then just tossed the enemy into the blast lines.

Congratulations for beating it!

Mar 12th 2019 at 4:19:22 AM

Dark Pit is a nice extra. Just like Lucina, or the rest of the echoes. But just that, an extra.

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Think of the mooks!
Mar 12th 2019 at 6:42:36 AM

I also used an Assist Killer support to take out Sukapon (though I think I used Pyra, for all that matters), though even that took me a few tries because I wasn't able to win fast enough to prevent Sukapon's respawn (which I did not see coming), and I was not nearly as prepared to handle Sukapon the second time. As I recall, my main spirit was Beast Ganon, and I won by abusing Impact Run until I could just smash the Gunner away.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
SilentPartner He of the Late Arrivals from The Space Between Spaces Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
He of the Late Arrivals
Mar 12th 2019 at 8:13:47 AM

Wish Id thought of that haha. I ended up just using Medusa and some Physical boosting Spirits to brute force down the enemys HP before Sukapon could do much.

Anyways, it looks like Ive managed to finish all the legendary spirit battles, or at least no new ones have turned up. Im only missing 33 Spirits in the checklist, the majority of which Are either evolutions or alt fighter Spirits.

Speaking of, is there a good reason I cant just beat classic mode wearing that alt to get those other fighter spirits? Granted, itd be kinda annoying to grind classic mode eight times with Bowser Jr., but not worse than having to wait for them to randomly show up in the shop haha.

Testing testing 123, is this the real life, is this just fantasy...
randomness4 Black or White from The Land of Inconvenience
Black or White
Mar 12th 2019 at 8:39:38 AM

Good reason?

It's probably the same reason you couldn't do that in Smash 4.

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PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Mar 15th 2019 at 12:56:05 AM

What would you think if they re-added Twilight Princess Ganondorf and added Toon Ganondorf as semi-clones of Ganondorf, and re-added Twilight Princess Zelda and added Toon Zelda as semi-clones of Zelda, much like how Young Link and Toon Link are semi-clones of Link?

The differences between each Ganondorf and Zelda would only be as substantial as the differences between each Link, but it would add four more Legend of Zelda characters to the roster with only a bit of effort on the developer's part.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 15th 2019 at 12:56:26 PM

My Dragon Ball FighterZ moveset ideas.
agent-trunks from Every-where, but there
Mar 15th 2019 at 4:27:12 AM

I already said I'm more than ok with TP! Link being in the game especially since BOTW! Link has a lot of new properties with his moves.

Hell no on TP Ganondorf being back. That should be Black Shadow than anyone else.

Also no on Toon Ganondorf, if you're going to have another alt for Ganondorf it might as well be the Classic era Ganon.

TP Zelda should just be an alt outfit for Zelda & Toon Zelda just isn't necessary right now. If they're going to add a Zelda rep it should be another Zelda character altogether.

Admittedly, I would rather Toon Zelda & Ganondorf than Tingle.

PushoverMediaCritic Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot! from the Italy of America Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Now my Spirit Ball is on autopilot!
Mar 15th 2019 at 5:14:23 AM

The whole point of doing this would be the "minimal amount of effort" part. Link to the Past Ganon and any other Zelda character would require more effort than four semi-clones would. TP Ganondorf wouldn't necessarily have to be the same as Smash 4 Ganondorf, they could modify the existing Ganondorf to be more accurate to his Twilight Princess depiction.

I agree that Black Shadow should be playable, but looking at the F-Zero wikia, I don't think Smash 4 Ganondorf would actually be a good match for him. Captain Falcon's signature ship, the Blue Falcon, is well-rounded with these stats: "Body: B, Boost: C, Grip: B".

To contrast, these are the stats of Black Shadow's signature ship, the Black Bull: "Body: A, Boost: E, Grip: A". It's also apparently the fastest ship in terms of raw speed.

I'm not entirely sure of the exact gameplay mechanics of F-Zero (maybe someone more familiar with the series can explain what exactly those stats translate into in gameplay), but it sure sounds like Black Shadow would be a super-fast superheavyweight if he were in Smash.

My Dragon Ball FighterZ moveset ideas.
Mar 15th 2019 at 5:21:56 AM

Frankly, the only reason I can accept Young Link in Smash is because he's been in Melee, and this game's about bringing back everyone. Same deal with Pichu.

I really don't want another version of the same character in Smash, especially not from the franchise that's known for having a lot of duplicate characters in its Smash roster.

randomness4 Black or White from The Land of Inconvenience
Black or White
Mar 15th 2019 at 5:33:28 AM

Raichu needs to be in the next game, logical step.

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Nerds nearly need needy nerdy nerds
Mar 15th 2019 at 5:40:53 AM

I believe the running theory is that the Pichu that was from Melee evolved into the Pikachu we know now (since he had the goggles back in Brawl and 4), and that the original Pikachu had since evolved into Alolan Raichu, who made his comeback as a Pokball Mon here. Since we now also have female Pikachu in the roster, the current Pichu may be their kid, and inherited the goggles from his dad.

Of course, it hardly matters, but I still like the idea.

Another day passes.
randomness4 Black or White from The Land of Inconvenience
Black or White
Mar 15th 2019 at 6:30:22 AM

Randomness was following along until new "Pichu" is their kid...

Bleh.

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Think of the mooks!
Mar 15th 2019 at 6:50:15 AM

Honestly, given how different Ganondorf was in The Wind Waker compared to any other incarnation, if they were to make Toon Ganondorf into a character, I'd want him to not be a clone at all. I'd want to play as the dual-wielding badass from the end of that game, not anyone remotely like Captain Falcon.

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Mar 15th 2019 at 6:56:11 AM

I can see them making Impa a Sheik echo. She can use her Skyward Sword design so that game can get repped.

Of course, Trident Ganon can also work well as a new character.

-Witty line-
Weirdguy149 The Dead Man from The Flying Dutchman Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The Dead Man
Mar 15th 2019 at 9:27:04 AM

I honestly just want a different character for Legend of Zelda, probably because I still want Skull Kid.

Do you fear death?
Elbruno Mummy Woomy from Chile: Not As Dry As Space! Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Mummy Woomy
Mar 15th 2019 at 10:03:19 AM

We already have 3 Links, 2 Zeldas and Ganondorf as the only characters for a series filled to the brim with unique potential fighters. Adding more repeats to that list could only result in dissapointment.

Edited by Elbruno on Mar 15th 2019 at 2:03:38 PM

"Yeah, it's a shame. Here we are in an underground cave with all these lasers, and instead of having a rave we're using it for evil."
Mar 15th 2019 at 12:50:00 PM

Unless it's a unique Ganondorf that is.

Ultimatum ◕_ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕_ ◕ Disasturbator
Mar 15th 2019 at 2:11:01 PM

I want spirit Zelda for smash bros

🌟 The answer eludes me still,how bothersome
Karxrida Beyond the Shore from Darkness within Darkness
Beyond the Shore
Mar 15th 2019 at 2:18:22 PM

She's already in the game.

Just run her over with the Spirit Tracks train and boom. Spirit Zelda.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Ultimatum ◕_ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕_ ◕ Disasturbator
Mar 15th 2019 at 2:34:24 PM

then she's permanently dead

what kind of person wants a princess dead?

🌟 The answer eludes me still,how bothersome
Anomalocaris20 Bop from Sagittarius A* Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Bop
Mar 15th 2019 at 3:20:13 PM

Chancellor Cole.

The fact that the world exists means nobody has had a TRUE 'everything bagel' yet. Twitch
Weirdguy149 The Dead Man from The Flying Dutchman Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The Dead Man
Mar 15th 2019 at 3:21:23 PM

And some sort of Fire Emblem baddie that's a spirit, I'm sure.

Do you fear death?
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[DATA EXPUNGED]
Mar 15th 2019 at 7:07:12 PM

I agree that Black Shadow should be playable, but looking at the F-Zero wikia, I don't think Smash 4 Ganondorf would actually be a good match for him. Captain Falcon's signature ship, the Blue Falcon, is well-rounded with these stats: "Body: B, Boost: C, Grip: B".

To contrast, these are the stats of Black Shadow's signature ship, the Black Bull: "Body: A, Boost: E, Grip: A". It's also apparently the fastest ship in terms of raw speed.

I'm not entirely sure of the exact gameplay mechanics of F-Zero (maybe someone more familiar with the series can explain what exactly those stats translate into in gameplay), but it sure sounds like Black Shadow would be a super-fast superheavyweight if he were in Smash.

Why are you looking at a wikia when there's a standalone wiki?

Anyway, here are what the stats mean:

Body is basically HP; the higher the rating, the more shield it has, and the more damage it can take before exploding.

Boost measures how much of a speed increase it gets from using a boost.

Grip measures how tightly it hugs the track; higher boost means less drift and tighter handling.

In the polygon games, boost drains the shield; this means that while the Black Bull's boost is pathetic, its incredible body means it can use boosts a lot.

The other stat is weight, which is the car's mass. Weight influences inertia and momentum; a higher weight results in worse acceleration and handling, but better max speed.

The polygon games also allow the player to tweak the engine toward either acceleration (and handling) or max speed.

The Blue Falcon is actually a jack of all stats; it's decently fast and handles well, but other cars outclass it in some areas and underperform in others. Captain Falcon is fast in Super Smash Bros because his games are all about speed, but there's no reason Black Shadow's stats would have to have anything to do with those of the Black Bull.

But if F-Zero is going to have more representation, Samurai Goroh should get in ahead of Black Shadow. Goroh has been there from the beginning and has a personal rivalry with Captain Falcon, while Black Shadow didn't come in until X and his relationship is that of a simple supervillain and superhero.

SilentPartner He of the Late Arrivals from The Space Between Spaces Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
He of the Late Arrivals
Mar 15th 2019 at 7:44:06 PM

Id still like to see The Skull come in. Granted, hes a pretty massive long shot compared to even Goroh or Black Shadow, but hes always been one of my favorites.

Testing testing 123, is this the real life, is this just fantasy...
Mar 15th 2019 at 8:26:39 PM

So I got the Plant amiibo today. Its surprisingly large, particularly the head.

-Witty line-

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