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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#6251: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:20:23 PM

I was just thinking of iconic classic style Belmonts.

edited 20th Jun '12 12:20:40 PM by Zeromaeus

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#6252: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:28:49 PM

Actually, Trevor would be a pretty good option. He was the star of Castlevania III, and seems to be the main character of the upcoming Mirror of Fate, on the 3DS.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#6253: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:29:46 PM

Completely different Trevors.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6254: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:29:51 PM

I'll be honest, using someone like Cactaur just wouldn't sit well with me. That seems more like a joke character than anything. If the third parties only get one character each (which is likely) then I'd prefer they use important or influential figures from their history. Cactaur would make a nice assist trophy but an actual SE character should be a main character from one of their games.

Cactuar is Mascot Mook, Slime is too. If Cactuar doesn't work as a fighter neither does Slime.

I still say Taloon for a DQ character.

edited 20th Jun '12 12:30:22 PM by WackyPancake

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#6255: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:30:52 PM

[up]I don't want slime to be the SE rep either.tongue

Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#6256: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:32:19 PM

Slime works better since it's used far more moves than Cactuar ever did. It also has natural fighting options and stars as a main character. He's on a different level compared to Cactuar.

Cactuar's awesome and all, but he doesn't have notable moves besides his needles. Slime has tons of spells, tentacle hits, multiple forms, and being a gooey monster, and can shapeshift his body into anything.

edited 20th Jun '12 12:33:05 PM by Hydronix

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6257: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:32:26 PM

I gotta say, having a Dragon Quest Monsters kid to go up against the Pokemon Trainer with would be kind of hilarious.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#6258: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:32:54 PM

Zero: Technically, yes, but the name is the same, and they function in similar roles (early Belmont that fights Dracula). I'm merely pointing out that they wouldn't have to completely redesign Trevor, if they go with him (which they won't, because Simon exists), because they'll have a current design.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#6259: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:34:53 PM

I must admit Slime would definitely be a quirky and interesting character to play as but he wouldn't be my first pick. Although if SE had two reps, an FF and a DQ one, then I wouldn't mind him being the DQ one.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6260: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:35:42 PM

[up][up][up][up] You forgot that Cactuar is speedy as hell. Well implemented, that could make for a fun character.

[up]Still, Taloon.

edited 20th Jun '12 12:35:56 PM by WackyPancake

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#6261: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:38:40 PM

He can be speedy all he wants. Doesn't make him an excellent choice. My problem is that all he would have is a moveset based around needles. His only known move is just Sheik's B attack. ...That's it. It just feels way too shallow for a full character. He'd make a neat assist trophy though.

Slime doesn't require that at all. He can use axes in one of his forms. He can do just about anything. But it doesn't have to be shallow either.

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6262: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:43:56 PM

You see, the reason I keep insisting on Taloon instead of Slime is that not only Taloon is a more conventional character rather than a freakin' goo drop, but Taloon has many creative options for a moveset: He can trip people, he can summon a horde of merchants to attack his opponents (Final Smash?), he can pull things out of his huge backpack, and he has a freakin' spiky club. Plus, as I said before, he has his own series, the first installment of which was a Nintendo exclusive, and he's the most popular of Dragon Quest IV's characters. He's overall a superior choice.

And besides, aren't Slimes known to be pretty weak? They can be all the popular they want, but I just don't see them being viable.

edited 20th Jun '12 12:49:07 PM by WackyPancake

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#6263: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:49:33 PM

What, the first two original Slimes? All the rest are freakin' powerful in their own right.

Also, I don't even recognize Taloon. Slime is far more of a recognizable mascot. And who I would pick due to him being the ultimate mascot.

Also, Slime had his own series too. wink

edited 20th Jun '12 12:50:32 PM by Hydronix

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#6264: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:55:46 PM

Slime would be an amazing assist trophy, too, especially if they included all the different types.

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6265: Jun 20th 2012 at 12:56:49 PM

[up][up]That still doesn't make it any more viable. A Slime in Smash would be far too small, strange, and would have an awkward moveset. I don't have anything against the guys, but they just wouldn't fit. Taloon meanwhile, I don't see anything wrong with him.

[up] They would perform that role much better. Drop that King Slime on top of everyone's heads tongue

edited 20th Jun '12 12:59:03 PM by WackyPancake

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#6266: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:02:31 PM

Taloon is far less recognizable, though. Hell... I don't even know who he is. Apparently he's in one game?

Slime is in every Dragon Quest game and is pretty much the most notable monster. Anybody who has played a Dragon Quest game can recognize him. How many games has Taloon been in? A few?

Slime also can do just about everything(if not more) than Taloon can do, and he's no more awkward than R.O.B., Mr. Game & Watch, or even Ice Climbers either. And none of those are that awkward and all fit beautifully.

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6267: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:09:21 PM

Taloon is in a grand total of six games: Dragon Quest IV (a main character), his own series, consisting of three games (the main character), Dragon Quest VIII (a cameo), and Young Yangus and the Mysterious Dungeon (helps Yangus early on). Plus he is a playable character in the crossover game Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Special, so that makes seven. I think he's appeared quite a lot.

And how can Slimes summon a horde of merchants, eh? Or swing a club. Or trip people. Or kick. Or punch tongue.

edited 20th Jun '12 1:15:44 PM by WackyPancake

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#6268: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:15:50 PM

So... he is still weaker on appearances than Slime. He's got a lot of appearances, and stars as much as him.

Also, Slime was the secondary main character in the first Dragon Quest Monsters after Terry himself. Starring role and all.

And Slime can summon any other Slime or every version for a Final Smash and it makes sense.

Ask how many people know Slime. Ask how many people know Taloon. You'll notice that Slime is far more recognizable and is pretty much the closest to a main character Dragon Quest'll ever get... making him pretty much the best choice because of that.

Slime is also playable in more crossovers too. There's a reason for that. wink

They can make anything out of their slimy body and can do all of that. See The Blob from Clay Fighter. Slimes can all shapeshift if given the ability.

edited 20th Jun '12 1:16:55 PM by Hydronix

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#6269: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:21:02 PM

Slimes are also playable party members in some of the main games of Dragon Quest.

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6270: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:23:43 PM

But Slime is a Mook, a freakin' Mook! If you say Slime, people automatically think of Mooks! It's famous because it's a Mook! It'd be like sticking a Goomba in the next Smash. It would probably be no better than Pichu. At least Taloon has combat experience. And sure, in the Itadaki Street crossovers it makes sense and all that, because it doesn't need to fight, but in Smash it's an entirely different story. It'd be much better off as an Assist Trophy.

And besides, Slime is already rather exposed, let somebody else represent DQ for once!

edited 20th Jun '12 1:27:46 PM by WackyPancake

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#6271: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:31:26 PM

Yoshi was just as much as Mook in that sense. And got playable.

That's not much of an argument at all. He's a full character that's not a mook in other games. In addition, I've never seen that argument hold any water whatsoever. Same excuse has been used against Toad, and he seriously should be in already. And I don't even personally want him playable, but he sure as hell deserves the spot.

Also, so is everyone Pokemon in Smash sans Mewtwo. And Mewtwo and Pichu were the only ones not to make it into Brawl. Also, Pichu was the only one cut.

And I'd rather have someone who actually represents Dragon Quest as a whole be in first before someone who's about as notable as Vaati.(who isn't much notable at all)

Slime's the real rep of Dragon Quest. If they're going to actual rep the series, you rep it with the real rep, not a smaller guy who doesn't even get close to deserving it in comparison.

You're grasping at straws now. What makes Slime, the main representative and mascot character of all of Dragon Quest not viable while a guy who's been in barely 6 games a better rep? Slime can do just about any move without issues. He has no limitations at all. The mook argument holds zero water and would only apply if Mooks were unplayable in Smash. He's far more recognizable, important, and popular than Taloon. He stars in his own games and is always in the Crossovers... I mean, I could see someone complain about a Moogle/Chocobo since there's better options, but this...?

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WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6272: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:38:39 PM

Yoshi was a character since day one, Slime is a Mook species that just happen to be popular, but while there is the Yoshi, there is the Pikachu, there is the Jigglypuff, and there is the Lucario, AFAIK, there's no the Slime.

And Taloon is sure as hell more notable than Vaati. He's been a main character four times, while Vaati never has.

And a Chocobo is actually more viable than Slime, there's the Chocobo from Chocobo's Dungeon who is a character in his own right.

And also, just read this.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#6273: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:40:23 PM

[up] Um, in the games, no, there is no the Jigglypuff, or Lucario, for that matter. The anime had a Jigglypuff, obviously, and there was a movie about Lucario (although it never showed up again). And the closest the games get to having a "the" of either is Riley in D/P/Pt.

edited 20th Jun '12 1:40:43 PM by BadWolf21

WackyPancake from My computer. Since: May, 2011
#6274: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:41:18 PM

But the Jigglypuff and Lucario characters are an obvious reference to the anime. Hell, the Lucario can even speak.

edited 20th Jun '12 1:41:27 PM by WackyPancake

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Hydronix I'm an Irene! from TV Tropes Since: Apr, 2010
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#6275: Jun 20th 2012 at 1:45:14 PM

Doesn't matter. They're both Mooks in the games. All the Anime did was make them popular, not non-mooks. There is no single Lucario, or single Jigglypuff. Mewtwo is a Legendary, which is why there's only one per game. And you can't get another one outside of trade. You can with Lucario via breeding.

And Yoshi wasn't a main character till his second game. He was just as notable as a Goomba or a Cheep-Cheep.

Slime is no different, except he's just as notable and a fully main character too.

Chocobo is less viable than Slime, as there's actual better Final Fantasy characters. Also, Chobobo nor Moogle are true Mascots. Unless together. Final Fantasy has no specific mascot, really. Maybe Goblins at best.

Dragon Quest has mascots via Monsters, while Final Fantasy has them via heroes/villains. They're two different series with two different styles.

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