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ssfsx17 crazy and proud of it Since: Jun, 2009
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#226: Jun 29th 2011 at 1:02:50 PM

HOI 3: For the Motherland is out now

Most interesting: the addition of smaller scenarios, so you can get straight to the bloody WW 2 action and only deal with one front.

Will need to try out the coup system in a grand campaign later - that'd be an interesting way to make smaller powers relevant. Just when Nazi Germany is on its way to world domination, a Luxembourg spy sneaks up on the Reichstag...

GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#227: Jul 2nd 2011 at 3:48:08 AM

Speaking of Hearts Of Iron, anyone got any advice for beating off the Italians as Ethiopia?

edited 2nd Jul '11 3:48:21 AM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
TheBigSock what is this i dont even from Israel Since: May, 2010
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#228: Jul 2nd 2011 at 3:53:37 AM

And speaking of it some more, does anyone have a good Let's Play (or any other video gameplay footage) of it that's good for people looking to learn how to play it? From my experiance with Vicky 2, watching gameplay videos is the best way to learn how to play these things.

GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#229: Jul 2nd 2011 at 3:57:53 AM

You can try here.

I recently started a game as Turkey. I took over Greece and Bulgaria before the Axis could get there; now I'm just praying the Soviets don't attack me as my manpower is officially in the shitter. Wondering if I can manage to take Yugoslavia and re-establish the Ottoman Empire... it doesn't help that its looking very much like an Axis world; the Allies are getting flattened and China has been completely occupied, and its only 1939.

EDIT: Also, Ethiopia simply can't win. Their organisation is crap, and they've got a massive Italian stack bearing down on them from the north. They have no airforce, and the Italians are much faster and end up using their mountainous terrain against them. Thankfully there's a bug that lets Ethiopia sue for peace immediately, restoring the status quo. At least keeps Ethiopia out of Axis hands.

edited 2nd Jul '11 7:14:07 AM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#230: Jul 7th 2011 at 9:16:57 AM

Bumping this.

In my British Victoria II game, I'm currently moving on to expand my foothold in France in Normandy and Provence to include the whole of the French south coast and Picardie. Need to wait until my pesky infamy score goes down though.

I'm currently suffering from micromanagement blues. Y'see, currently I'm building armies nonstop. And every second day, India can recruit a new regiment. I've caused a global shortage in firearms. [lol]

Well at least after this France should be pretty much a non-entity. I basically want to see if I can annihilate them by the end game. Going to make seizing their colonies as the last thing I do before I annex the Ile-de-France itself.

If I manage to take over France, I'll see if I can't start chopping bits off of America too...

edited 7th Jul '11 9:17:19 AM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
YoungMachete from Dallas Since: May, 2011
#231: Jul 7th 2011 at 9:36:30 AM

[up] Britian has been broken in Vicky games since they first came out. I'm pretty sure they could easily win a war of attrittion with Russia and China combined. Oh, and don't go after America. I much perfer Germany, if you can. Better RG Os from what I understand.

And on a side note, I'm prett positive i'm taking the USA down the route of Bioshock Infinite in my current game. I won both the Mexican-American war and a follow-up war against the USCA, and now I have huge badboy and am eyeing the tasty, unprotected, korea. It is 1870 and the world now stands on the brink of war against an only recently united USA. With Prussia and France eyeing each other in Europe, the UK is just about the only nation that could concievably put an end to my impeialism.

edited 7th Jul '11 9:37:37 AM by YoungMachete

"Delenda est." "Furthermore, Carthage must be destroyed." -Common Roman saying at the end of speeches.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#232: Jul 7th 2011 at 10:03:25 AM

It also helps that I've completely isolated France diplomatically. They're allied with Austria, who I can blockade (and probably beat too if it comes to it) and the formidable armies of... Luxembourg.

I'm shivering in fear already.

I, on the other hand, have Spain as one of my principle allies, though unfortunately the Netherlands took advantage of Belgiums weakness in the last war and annexed it... they're next. To make up for it I'm trying to snatch away the Papal States and I've managed to persuade Switzerland and Sardinia Piedmont into my sphere of influence. I'm trying for an alliance of convenience with the Dutch to replace the Belgians; they were invaluable during the first war.

Aside from that, I have about 400,000 soldiers in France right now, so my armies should waltz over French resistance. The first war was hard as I had to storm the French coast and beat armies amounting to 100,000 men at times with just Britains reserves, what Belgian forces had survived the war, and the distraction the Spanish served (the blighters managed to grab a part of southern France, but as they helped me even through a civil war of their own I'll forgive them for it... for now. I remember the armada!

^As for that, I hope you've got a large fleet. tongue

edited 7th Jul '11 10:03:47 AM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania Since: Oct, 2010
Decemberist
#233: Jul 7th 2011 at 10:30:11 AM

Has anyone tried the first HOI with the latest version of the CORE mod?

The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#234: Jul 16th 2011 at 8:44:36 AM

Does anyone have any advice for playing China in Victoria II? Besides watch out for Russians?

edited 16th Jul '11 8:44:54 AM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
ssfsx17 crazy and proud of it Since: Jun, 2009
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#235: Jul 16th 2011 at 10:59:01 AM

[up] Also watch out for British India. And watch all your coastline, since the UK has massive navies and is not afraid to use them.

GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#236: Jul 16th 2011 at 11:36:50 AM

Yikes. Yeah I figured the Brits would be a problem.

Maybe if I can snatch a few neighbouring states. If I can get China civilised, I'm laughing.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#237: Jul 17th 2011 at 1:13:49 PM

While I think of it, does anyone have advice for someone trying to Hold the Line as Poland in Hearts Of Iron?

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
ssfsx17 crazy and proud of it Since: Jun, 2009
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#238: Jul 17th 2011 at 1:24:44 PM

Join the Axis or Comintern. Otherwise, it's time to learn how to produce and deploy resistance fighters and all those other wonderful government-in-exile features

GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#239: Jul 17th 2011 at 1:25:43 PM

Well shit.

Being stuck between two faction leaders isn't a lot of fun is it?

EDIT: One of the more entertaining strategies I've come up with is to play each faction in the way of the Axis/Comintern as it gets invaded. Starting off as Ethiopia, then as Spain when the Civil War breaks out as the Republicans, before playing as Austria, then switching over to Nationalist China for the Japanese invasion... if you can stabalise the line in China, then switching over to Poland or Czechoslovakia once its invaded (hopefully your stint as Austria will prevent the NSDAP from getting into power, preventing Germany from pulling the Anschluss) and finally, switching over the France, then Britain, and then a desperate Last Stand as America if you somehow manage to lose control of the British Isles and North Africa.

Basically acting as the Big Good for the Allies.

edited 17th Jul '11 1:32:49 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania Since: Oct, 2010
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#240: Jul 17th 2011 at 1:55:32 PM

@GC: The first HOI? Find and download the CORE mode - it adds a lot to the realism and historical accuracy, revamps the tech tree, as well as multiplying the original number of fixed events by 100 (no kidding). Thus, if you play your choices right, you can come out with completely crazy possibilities (such as gaining Prussia and Silesia in 1936 as Poland, which makes defending against Germany a lot easier).

The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
Medicus Sierra 117 from Australia Since: Sep, 2009
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#241: Jul 17th 2011 at 2:52:14 PM

I've done it in HOI II.

It's not over. Not yet.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#242: Jul 21st 2011 at 12:22:46 PM

^^I was playing HOI III. Which seems a lot less free in how much you can muck around with history. (Heck, even fighting the Nazis off as France, the traditional Paradox heavyweight champion, seems difficult.)

Run into trouble on another front, namely, Victoria II. My British empire is in the process of grinding down France slowly (my next target is Frances industrial powerhouse in Languedoc) and now has a military score of 102 (representing no less than 400,000 soldiers) meaning I could probably take down half of Europe now if I wanted to. That said... my industry is starting to run into competition from Russia, who just overtook France in terms of industrial might. And Russia is a bit big to chop down. On top of that they just concluded an (ultimately unsuccessful) war with China. Any advice for a warmonger looking to turn industrialist?

Also, I'm wondering if there's ever a moment where breaking free and going on a world conquering rampage is a good idea. My army might be capable of crushing the next three world powers, but occupying them is another matter. Mainly because attrition hurts like a bitch.

EDIT: Basically I've set my goal in that campaign as

Objective 1: Annihilate France.

Objective 2: Be the number one power industrially and overall.

The France-destroying business is going well, but I'm starting to fear for my perch as strongest power. Russia is industrialising fast.

edited 21st Jul '11 12:40:07 PM by GameChainsaw

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
Kinkajou I'm Only Sleeping Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#243: Jul 22nd 2011 at 8:25:02 AM

Don't take any more French territory in Europe. Instead cripple their economy.

Also, that reminds me, if we were to take the top 8 powers in the world today and rank them as Great Powers in the Victoria sense, who would they be?

I know for starters that the USA has a huge MIL score and good Prestige, but its IND isn't exactly rapidly rising. China is a good choice for number 2.

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.
TheBigSock what is this i dont even from Israel Since: May, 2010
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#244: Jul 22nd 2011 at 8:31:19 AM

Other then the United States and China? Japan would be there because of its prestige and industry, Russia probably too, for its sheer size if nothing else. Germany would probably be around number 5, too.

Kinkajou I'm Only Sleeping Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#245: Jul 22nd 2011 at 8:52:52 AM

France has lower IND than Germany but relatively same PRE and France has higher MIL.

So my list would be something like USA, China, (probably) Japan, UK (tied with France), Germany, Russia, India. the order of the last five is pretty interchangeable.

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#246: Jul 22nd 2011 at 12:54:19 PM

Going by industry alone (GDP) I think the list would be the USA in 1st, with China a distant second. Japan in 3rd, Germany, France and Britain in 4th, 5th and 6th respectively, Brazil at 7th, and Italy trailing at 8th and eyeing emerging Secondary Power India nervously. The USA would also be scores ahead with its massive military and prestige score. Britain and France would probably have a bonus over Germany because both have tough militaries; it probably wouldn't lead to Britain passing Germanys score but it might lead to France doing so.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.
OrangeSpider Must Keep The Web Intact from Ursalia Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: On the prowl
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#247: Jul 22nd 2011 at 7:54:37 PM

So I just bought Victoria (1) in a boxed version for $5.

I played Ho I 2 before.

I am hopelessly confused.

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TheBigSock what is this i dont even from Israel Since: May, 2010
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#248: Jul 23rd 2011 at 12:45:55 AM

They're completely different games, and Vicky is very complicated. I'd suggest you go and watch some Lets plays on You Tube to get the gist of it, then start a game as a minor country and see if you can tell left from right.

Kinkajou I'm Only Sleeping Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#249: Jul 23rd 2011 at 6:52:19 AM

I'd suggest unifying Italy as the Two Sicilies.

INT is knowing a tomato is a fruit. WIS is knowing it doesn't belong in a fruit salad. CHA is convincing people that it does.
GameChainsaw The Shadows Devour You. from sunshine and rainbows! Since: Oct, 2010
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#250: Jul 23rd 2011 at 10:34:23 AM

I tried playing Victoria I. Man, that was baffling... even if you've played the sequel!

Mind you, the first time I saw Victoria 2 the thing running through my head was somewhere between "holy shit" and "where the fuck do I start?"

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.

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