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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Nov 30th 2010 at 8:03:04 PM

I noticed that the wiki has finally gotten fed up with disputing whether a character is a Mary Sue and has blocked any examples of Mary Sue Tropes. All well and good  *

, but it's leading to the template landing on such pages as Her Code Name Was "Mary Sue", Superior Species or Mary-Sue Hunter, which are tropes rather than fanspeak.

How would we go about chopping the index so that the template doesn't land on the "related concepts?"

edited 30th Nov '10 8:04:30 PM by Ramidel

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#2: Dec 2nd 2010 at 7:41:08 PM

Can't they just be manually editted out?

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#3: Dec 2nd 2010 at 10:07:31 PM

Those banner have been adjusted.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Dec 14th 2010 at 1:20:26 AM

The banner appears to be back in on all such pages.

FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#5: Dec 14th 2010 at 9:31:53 AM

Fixed the fix.wink

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#6: Dec 14th 2010 at 2:02:51 PM

If Mary Sue isn't a trope anymore, shouldn't we purge the trope pages themselves of examples, so as not to confuse people?

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#7: Dec 14th 2010 at 2:08:05 PM

No. Just move them to the YMMV tab.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#8: Dec 15th 2010 at 2:48:51 AM

Okay, now I'm confused. What are they supposed to be - YMMV or Fan-speak? As far as I can tell from the banners Fan-speak example don't get moved to YMMV, they get zapped. Also my question above was not about work pages, but the subtrope pages with examples like Purity Sue, God-Mode Sue, Mary Tzu, etc.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#9: Dec 15th 2010 at 10:03:04 AM

Not sure where you got that idea about Fan Speak being zapped. If you eliminated fanspeak from troper's vocabulary, most of us would be struck mute.

Maybe the idea came from there being cases where we remove examples from the page that defines the fanspeak term...

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Oh! Yeah, an entry like...

.. would be a YMMV example, at best. It would be pulled out of the main article as natter-bait. So 'zapped' could mean "removed from Main" pretty easily.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#10: Dec 15th 2010 at 10:59:58 AM

Are we even looking at the same thing here? Because the banner I'm seeing on every Mary Sue page clearly says "Please don't list this on a work's page as a trope. It just defines a fan-speak term. No examples, please." This is often on pages with dozens of folders with example from both canon and fanworks. It mentions nothing about YMMV at all. Furthermore, if you're just supposed to move the examples to YMMV pages, what is the point of having a separate fan-speak banner anyway.

Sorry if I'm sounding a little on edge here, but this is my third time asking this and no one seems to understand what I'm talking about.

edited 15th Dec '10 11:01:10 AM by Killomatic

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#11: Dec 15th 2010 at 11:02:08 AM

Oh, that. Examples go under the specific kind of Mary Sue in question. Those have examples. There's a list of them on the main Mary Sue page.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#12: Dec 15th 2010 at 11:24:10 AM

I changed the banner text to: "It goes on the YMMV page for a work and doesn't need examples on the page where it is defined."

Maybe that will clear up the confusion.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#13: Dec 15th 2010 at 12:30:22 PM

You messed up the formatting somehow when you did that. It's missing the bit about being fanspeak now and it's not centred any more.

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#14: Dec 15th 2010 at 12:33:38 PM

  • $#%$#%$ HTML. We hates it.

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Killomatic TURN OFF THAT LIGHT! from Loli Funtime Playhouse Since: Oct, 2010
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#15: Dec 15th 2010 at 3:18:20 PM

Thank you. I don't want to press my luck, but as long as we're on the subject of modifying banners, can you add that you're not supposed to move in-story examples, obvious extreme parodies or stuff confirmed by Word of God to the YMMV, because lots of people are unaware of that.

edited 15th Dec '10 3:18:50 PM by Killomatic

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