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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

MrMediaGuy2 Since: Jun, 2015
#2376: Jun 7th 2022 at 8:45:50 AM

Characters.Aggretsuko was lagging when I edited it. Should we split it?

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2377: Jun 7th 2022 at 8:49:27 AM

217 kb.

I know there's a webseries and TV series that went through Adaptation Personality Change. Since even the page warns about this, I would if it would make sense to separate tropes that only applies to one of them.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
MrMediaGuy2 Since: Jun, 2015
#2378: Jun 7th 2022 at 9:01:30 AM

[up] The majority of the character tropes are from the Netflix series (which is more well-known in the west than the original shorts), so even then, the page would be really long.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2379: Jun 7th 2022 at 9:04:28 AM

The company could get own page and include everyone in it I suppose.

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#2381: Jun 11th 2022 at 2:11:09 PM

[up] Let's see... the section sizes (according to this site) are:

  • Families of the Sailor Guardians: 77.24 KB
  • Juuban Municipal Junior High School: 57.56 KB
  • Recurring civilians: 41.06 KB
  • Minor and one-shot characters: 41.99 KB
  • Codename: Sailor V characters: 13.92 KB
  • Movie and side-story characters: 29.66 KB

The first two groups could be split into their own pages.

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#2382: Jun 11th 2022 at 2:46:57 PM

Stupid question: What's the threshold that triggers the too-big warning for a TVT page? After crosswicking examples into the Zelda pages, the pages grew very large, but not enough for a hard split requirement. I'd like to know ahead of time which Zelda page is closest to the limit, thanks.

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NoUsername she's only programmed to be very nice Since: May, 2012
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#2383: Jun 11th 2022 at 2:52:38 PM

looking to past examples 250kb seems to be the threshold that generates the warning

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#2384: Jun 11th 2022 at 2:57:46 PM

Ouch, that means The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess will need to be split. The former is at 250.5 and the latter is at 262.98

For the record, Ocarina of Time is at 238.5 and Majora's Mask is at 225.9; I haven't crosswicked anything on Skyward Sword yet, and Breath of the Wild is already split into subpages.

What's the division procedure to split the pages? Do I go by the weight of the folders or by splitting into equitable subpages?

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NoUsername she's only programmed to be very nice Since: May, 2012
she's only programmed to be very nice
#2385: Jun 11th 2022 at 3:05:25 PM

i think the weight of the folders is preferred over the number of them — SCP Foundation is split into A-D (4 folders), E-M (9 folders), N-R (4 folders), S-Z (7 folders), meaning it prioritizes an equal byte count over an equal number of folders

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#2386: Jun 11th 2022 at 3:11:17 PM

Understood, thanks. Right now I'm busy with crosswicking examples into a page on a different franchise's game, but in the near future I'll proceed to split the affected Zelda articles unless someone else beats me to it. [tup]

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#2387: Jun 11th 2022 at 5:20:12 PM

Made the Sailor Moon page splits. Will continue updating the page headers later.

ETA: done

Edited by Twiddler on Jun 11th 2022 at 8:17:49 AM

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2388: Jun 13th 2022 at 9:06:19 PM

@Twiddler (several posts above): My understanding is that it's the HTML of the whole page that matters in terms of page size, not just the main body of text (with or without wiki formatting). I downloaded the "Families of the Sailor Guardians" page you created to iCloud and it came out at 213 KB (which, in light of the discussion between your two posts, should be fine because my understanding is that the warning pops up somewhere around 400-500 KB, though it doesn't seem to necessarily be consistent).

Edited by MorganWick on Jun 13th 2022 at 9:07:16 AM

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2390: Jun 17th 2022 at 6:19:15 AM

[up] - move all "Our Dumb Century" to the page?

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#2391: Jun 17th 2022 at 6:26:19 AM

[up] When I get a chance, I'll see what I can do.

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Walkinshadows Since: Jun, 2012
#2392: Jun 17th 2022 at 8:41:19 AM

A lot of the examples on that page are zero-context.

Malady (X-Troper)
#2393: Jun 17th 2022 at 9:39:18 AM

Well, the headlines are Exactly What It Says on the Tin, or something.

Or do you mean Our Dumb Century?

Edited by Malady on Jun 17th 2022 at 10:59:24 AM

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Walkinshadows Since: Jun, 2012
#2394: Jun 17th 2022 at 10:55:39 AM

Troping only the headlines and not the content sounds like really bad and lazy example writing.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2395: Jun 17th 2022 at 7:23:43 PM

Removed Our Dumb Century examples and it no longer gives the warning, for now. Leaving this here as Not a Subversion:

  • Straight Edge Evil: Subverted in "Our Dumb Century," in an article in which mobsters support Prohibition... because they'd profit from illegal alcohol sales.

Edited by MorganWick on Jun 17th 2022 at 7:24:06 AM

themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#2397: Jun 18th 2022 at 10:33:19 AM

[up][up][up] A lot of Onion articles are just the headline, but those with actual body text probably should have a little more elaboration.

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
NitroIndigo ♀ | Small ripples lead to big waves from West Midlands region, England Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#2399: Jun 18th 2022 at 2:10:02 PM

Characters.Monster Sanctuary is starting to lag in the editor, but it could just be my phone. Is it worth splitting the species into their own page like we did with Temtem?

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2400: Jun 18th 2022 at 2:49:34 PM

[up]Is the section for the monsters large enough to warrant a split? If so, go for it.


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