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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#2351: Apr 29th 2022 at 6:54:30 PM

Generally, I feel like works with 20+ unique tropes could get their own pages, even if it's not the type of work that normally gets its own page.

That said, a few of the examples are probably duplicates. Many of the minigames in Super Mario 64 DS are also in New Super Mario Bros. 1, so maybe we should have a page for the collection of minigames that appear in both.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#2352: Apr 30th 2022 at 4:51:23 AM

a few of the examples are probably duplicates.

I didn't do an exhaustive read, but they were surprisingly well split. The suggestion of creating a work page for the remake sounds good, as someone would only need to write the description and start fixing the wicks. I'll revert for now, but someone with more time in their hands should definitely do that.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2353: May 4th 2022 at 8:09:31 PM

SelfDemonstrating.The Joker was removed from the list after being split up. My instinct with Self-Demonstrating pages would be to just take a hatchet to them and engage in serious cleanup, but whatever. Not like I particularly engage in that part of the wiki anyway.

Hello83433 (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2356: May 18th 2022 at 5:53:37 PM

For the Dethroning page, I'm seeing if removing any non-entry text from the folders will help.

Edit: That worked.

Edited by Berrenta on May 18th 2022 at 7:55:48 AM

ArcticGrill éclair from Parts Unknown Since: Mar, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
éclair
#2357: May 23rd 2022 at 7:17:34 AM

When a trope takes up more than half the page can it be split into its own sub-page? I read the rules and couldn't find anything stating against it. It said over 500,000 characters and crashes the site, but nothing against splitting if a trope takes up over half the page. Sorry if this question may be potentially stupid.

Malady (X-Troper)
#2358: May 23rd 2022 at 7:20:34 AM

Good Scott! What trope are we talking about? Perhaps it just needs some A LOT of, trimming?

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2359: May 23rd 2022 at 7:24:03 AM

This one, from ATT question. I don't think it's the right split thread to ask, but to answer the question there's no strong limit, many arbitrary use "when there are enough examples of one trope to require scrolling the page" as a warrant for splitting.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2360: May 23rd 2022 at 7:31:24 AM

I usually look at how many subbullets a trope has on the page. The scrolling bit is another factor taken into account.

Walkinshadows Since: Jun, 2012
#2361: May 24th 2022 at 8:38:44 PM

DethroningMoment.Web Original is overly long again. Is there a good way to split it?

Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2362: May 25th 2022 at 2:22:41 PM

The Other folder is the only one with a boatload of items.

Should we split off a subgenre? Maybe a separate page for Web Animation or Let's Play?

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
(she/her)
#2363: May 25th 2022 at 2:30:19 PM

That sounds like a good idea.

Macron's notes
Malady (X-Troper)
#2364: May 28th 2022 at 4:08:59 PM

WMG.The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2366: Jun 1st 2022 at 6:13:05 PM

Funny.Cinema Sins Film Series And Franchises M To Z

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Berrenta Bejeweled (she/her) (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Bejeweled (she/her)
#2367: Jun 1st 2022 at 8:17:51 PM

Looked into Heartwarming.Fan Works, as it has the warning. Should we stick to actual fanworks and remove examples that aren't from them? Plenty of them in the Steven Universe folder even violate Weblinks Are Not Examples.

bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#2368: Jun 1st 2022 at 8:20:15 PM

[up] Aren't we currently trying to define what a fan work is?

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2369: Jun 1st 2022 at 8:22:18 PM

[up] - Not anymore?

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2370: Jun 1st 2022 at 8:27:23 PM

Which of these aren't fanworks? Removing or commenting examples that are just weblinks sounds reasonable though.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
bwburke94 I am mad scientist! It's so cool! from 1.048596% (Y2: Electric Boogaloo) Relationship Status: She does the things you do, but she is an IBM
I am mad scientist! It's so cool!
#2372: Jun 2nd 2022 at 12:24:48 AM

[up] Preferably the latter, custom titled as "Fan Works — The Loud House".

2025: the year it all ends?
N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#2373: Jun 2nd 2022 at 1:18:44 AM

In 2016, it was determined that compilation pages for tiny works like Fan Art are unwanted. That means most of the Steven Universe section could be cut. I also suspect some of the works on the page now have their own pages, but it's hard to tell because the page mostly uses external links instead of actual wiki links.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2374: Jun 3rd 2022 at 1:43:01 AM

There doesn't seem to be precedent for folders of fanfics of a given work receiving their own Moments pages, as opposed to individual fan works. There are Awesome.Fan Fic and Funny.Fan Fic pages separate from the Fan Work pages, but I'm not sure if we consider fanfics worth separating from fan works more generally anymore, and I'm not sure how much separating along those lines would even help. The Funny.Fan Fic page is split based on medium of the original work, which may be the best approach, but some works may be hard to categorize that way.

Edited by MorganWick on Jun 3rd 2022 at 1:46:01 AM

N1KF Alleged Number1KirbyFan (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Alleged Number1KirbyFan
#2375: Jun 3rd 2022 at 2:32:48 AM

[up] There actually sort of was with the Non-Canon Pages, which acted as conglomerate pages for troping Fan Works of a specific work before they were cut from the wiki. See the thread for details.


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