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Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

See this page: Overly Long Pages

another programmer's thing 

edited 28th Mar '15 1:02:05 PM by SeptimusHeap

Jun 2nd 2019 at 3:44:39 PM

I removed the spoilers and it's no longer giving the overly long warning. It's fixed for now, but any ideas to keep it from combining up again (it's just a large quote or two from coming back up)?

Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jun 2nd 2019 at 4:47:27 PM

I think taking a page from Administrivia.Sinkhole might be a good idea:

Trope potholes in page quotes: Quotes do not have potholes in their original medium, and extraneous bluelinks above the trope description just distract the reader. If potholes are not necessary to understand the quote, then they are redundant. If potholes give context that is needed to understand the quote, then the quote does not truly illustrate the trope. Page quotes thus should not have any trope potholes in them, although it is okay to pothole to a work or genre which is referenced directly.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Jun 2nd 2019 at 9:38:18 PM

Quotes.Complete Monster does not have any potholes and works fine (that page is going through a Short-Term Projects thread, though pretty much everything related to the CM trope is heavily curated), so I'd say we should remove all potholes here too and possibly put a warning if people try to add them back.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jun 2nd 2019 at 6:39:33 PM

♂ | Currently trying to make Video Games of the 2010s too long so it can be splittable, also drive-by posting and editing.
Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Jun 11th 2019 at 9:03:53 AM

Double posting, but the Quotes.Villainous Breakdown situation seems to be resolved, so it's time to discuss something else.

Video Games of the 2010s is getting way too long. It has at least 2300 lines and there's still half a year left. We will obviously want to split it to Video Games Of 20102014 and Video Games Of The 20152019 (it will be custom titled to have either a hyphen, an emdash or endash, I don't know these new dashes and how you people call them). That said, it seems to me that one reason why these pages are so long is because each entry has a year in parenthesesnote which adds at least 7 characters to each line, and there's 27 or so folders. =

I have a proposal to sort Video Games of the Decade pages in a way that Films of the Decade pages do, see Films of the 1980s. It has 13 folders, one for franchises of the decade, one for each year, and two for other stuff. Since these pages have video games only, 11 folders would be enough. Then we would have each game sorted by year so years in parentheses would be removed and folders would be reduced, saving on about 5000 chars. Plus, this would make splitting pages to things like Video Games Of The2010s Franchises, Video Games Of 20102014 and Video Games Of 20152019 more comfortable, as we'll need to do it anyway. I'm going to start Video Games Of The1980s Reorganisation, Video Games Of The1990s Reorganisation, Video Games Of The2000s Reorganisation and Video Games Of The2010s Reorganisation as part of this process and to show what I mean. I'd like some feedback.

TL;DR: I think pages like Video Games of the 2000s should be organised more like Films of the 1980s to save space and help with eventual splits when they get too long. I'd like to know if people agree.

♂ | Currently trying to make Video Games of the 2010s too long so it can be splittable, also drive-by posting and editing.
XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Jun 11th 2019 at 1:39:58 PM

About Podcast.On The Rocks...

This page looks atrocious, and I actually think it's against this wiki's policy.

The work page should have a brief description with info about author(s), format/ type of medium, release date, and a brief summary.

Then it should have examples of tropes that appear in said work.

In my opinion, it's a candidate for a massive deletion — all the folders and tables should go. It just lists games, works and people... Not a part of this wiki's mission. These are not tropes, and it's barely relevant as trivia. If the authors/editors fail to list tropes appearing in the programme, the page could even be cutlisted.

Somebody obviously put a lot of effort in the article, but it doesn't meet our criteria and it breaks our rules.

Such a change will probably require some consensus, not just my opinion.

Edited by XFllo on Jun 11th 2019 at 10:42:44 AM

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Jun 11th 2019 at 2:07:24 PM

[up]I did find some instances of tropes, in tables under questions including (but not limited to)

  • What are your favorite examples of the trope [insert trope here]?
  • What are your favorite tropes in Telltale video games?
  • What prominent tropes have you noticed in the media you've consumed lately?
  • What useless super power would you like to have?
But then again, we'd have to screen out all the Zero Context Examples.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
Jun 14th 2019 at 12:10:04 AM

Characters.Kirby Villainous Factions is giving a too long warning.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
Jun 15th 2019 at 12:58:42 AM

VideoGame.Stellaris is also giving a too long warning.

Edited by rmctagg09 on Jun 15th 2019 at 3:59:03 PM

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Jun 15th 2019 at 2:56:30 AM

My two cents on some matters (I'll ask again about Video Games of the Decade pages eventually after I improve the sandboxes):

Edited by Piterpicher on Jun 15th 2019 at 3:42:26 PM

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XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Jun 15th 2019 at 6:09:03 AM

It's a page about something sponsored by TVT, so a cut seems impossible, even if it breaks the rules. Changes seem unlikely, really.

I was not saying it should be cut. Just massively re-vamped. All those tabs are the same on the recap pages and on the main work page. I think perhaps it's being moved? What's the point of having this reduplicated on several pages?

In any case, the too-long-page warning is not going anywhere, and it's a problem.

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Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Jun 15th 2019 at 6:19:44 AM

Sorry, I thought that page was already fixed after the pothole removal, but I was wrong. Admittedly, this page is very irregular and it may need a revamp, but I don't think anyone tried doing one yet (it would need a sandbox, I think). Perhaps episode pages should be 25 each rather than 100 each (like Recap.On The Rocks 200 To 224)? That wouldn't quite change the page into a regular work page, but at least it would fix length issues.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jun 15th 2019 at 3:20:52 PM

♂ | Currently trying to make Video Games of the 2010s too long so it can be splittable, also drive-by posting and editing.
XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Witch
Jun 20th 2019 at 3:12:19 PM

[up] Fair enough. I actually think it might be good enough to have Recap.On The Rocks 200 To 250, and then only 250 to 254 would stay on the Podcast work page. I think it could solve the issue with length.

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Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Jun 21st 2019 at 3:52:48 AM

Huh… It looks like 50 episodes is okay length, based on Recap.On The Rocks 200 To 249 (done that way to be more in line with other pages). Well, we'll see how Recap.On The Rocks 250 To 299 fares in the future, but I guess this is fine for now.

As the other proposals received no feedback in almost a week and seem relatively uncontroversial, I'll do them now.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jun 21st 2019 at 5:56:02 PM

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Brainulator9 Regular garden-variety troper. from US Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Regular garden-variety troper.
Jul 11th 2019 at 1:14:36 PM

[up] I say take a chainsaw to some of the longer quotes and nix the sinkholes.

You don't mean no-nothing at all to me...
Piterpicher ✓Veteran Editor from TV Tropes Ultimate (Poland IRL) Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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Jul 11th 2019 at 2:04:22 PM

Remove the spoiler markup, there are 68 instances of it. Still, is no one seriously interested in discussing how to split Quotes pages? Like, does anyone think splitting such pages to things like Quotes.The Reason You Suck Speech Video Games is a good idea (very interested in opinions)?

On second thought, I'm not too sure on such an idea... tropes like these have lots of quotes instead of context in their examples, but they also have quotes pages, resulting in duplication or redundancy. This is odd, probably something we'll want to discuss someday on how to handle tropes that would attract lots of quotes.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:47:04 AM

♂ | Currently trying to make Video Games of the 2010s too long so it can be splittable, also drive-by posting and editing.
Jul 11th 2019 at 2:52:03 PM

I'd rather review the page and 1. truncate the ones that are extremely long and/or have bits that don't demonstrate the trope, 2. axe the ones where the focus is not about how someone/something sucks.

Edited by Tabs on Jul 11th 2019 at 2:52:41 AM

DonaldthePotholer from Somewhere in (not)Miami
Jul 12th 2019 at 4:41:29 PM

As is Surprisingly Similar Stories: Cited Entries.

At least we staved this thing off for 6 years with the prior split. Plus the page that spun-off from it gives us a blueprint for how to proceed with SSS/Cited.

I hereby move to split off the "Other Site Entries" from the Troper Entries, move the former back to the Main SSS page in a folder, and create the following pages to hold the latter:

Karxrida Art by @anoderp from Darkness within Darkness Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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Jul 29th 2019 at 6:12:55 PM

DethroningMoment.Web Original is giving a too long warning.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
bwburke94 My Ice Cream Waifu from Remnant Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
My Ice Cream Waifu
Jul 29th 2019 at 8:51:27 PM

[up] Given it's a Web Original page, the different types of web media could be split off into separate pages.

Misspelled trope names dealt with... for now. Moving back to the Understatement project soon?
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
Sep 30th 2019 at 3:43:56 PM

Characters.Skyrim Other Characters is giving a too long warning.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
Berrenta Heating things up from Texas Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Heating things up
Oct 1st 2019 at 3:31:00 PM

Looking at it, our best bet is to convert the folders into separate pages.

Oct 2nd 2019 at 9:46:50 PM

Scrolling down Calvin and Hobbes hurts my hand. Should we split it into sub-pages? Four seems like a reasonable amount.

Willbyr Anime-ted from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Anime-ted
Oct 3rd 2019 at 6:18:11 AM

[up] Yes, that definitely merits sub-paging.

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