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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#576: Dec 15th 2010 at 10:26:26 AM

I'm at a loss as to how to split the Wild Mass Guessing pages, as there doesn't seem to be a clear line of distinction to easily break them up into.

Would it be acceptable to copy what is currently in those pages into an archive page to be locked, like we did with Ad Of Win?

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#577: Dec 15th 2010 at 10:31:14 AM

Might be a case where "Page 2, Page 3" makes sense.

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#578: Dec 15th 2010 at 12:19:02 PM

For that scenario, my question would be: which of these pages would we direct Tropers to add new entries to?

edit: Or do you mean something along the lines of - Main Page, Archive Page 1, Archive Page 2?

edit x2: I think I can group up enough similar things in JustBugsMe.Mass Effect 2 to make a proper split. Will take my idea to the discussion page. Tackling JustBugsMe/Heroes next.

edit x3: JustBugsMe/Heroes is under control.

edited 15th Dec '10 5:45:40 PM by Meeble

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#579: Dec 16th 2010 at 10:07:02 AM

What I did with WMG is split them up into Open Theories (sometimes part one, two, etc), Jossed Theories, Confirmed Theories, and Silly Theories (for "X is a Time Lord" type WMGs).

Like so.

It's a lot of work, but it seems like the most logical division to me.

edited 16th Dec '10 10:08:38 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#580: Dec 16th 2010 at 12:12:37 PM

Ah, that does make sense! Thanks Ccoa.

I'm currently tracking a discussion on Mass Effect 2 on how the change for that page should be implemented. Once that's straightened out, I'll see if I can tackle one of these WMG pages in the method you suggested.

edited 20th Dec '10 9:16:19 AM by Meeble

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Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#581: Dec 16th 2010 at 2:25:56 PM

Sorry I haven't gotten to Bleach 2 yet. It's been a crazy week, with finals and getting ready for being the best man at a wedding. For how to split it up, I was thinking a 2.1, 2.2, etc. system.

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#582: Dec 16th 2010 at 4:23:35 PM

That's quite all right, I didn't know you had been looking at it. There are other fish that I can be frying. :)

I'm going to start on WMG.Naruto using the Ccoa method.

edited 16th Dec '10 4:35:15 PM by Meeble

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hatless Since: Dec, 2010
#583: Dec 16th 2010 at 7:14:51 PM

I'd just chop it into installments, the way Bleach did it months ago.

Trying to classify it by page leaves it open for a hideous amount of internecine and pointless wrangling: "This guess was jossed, moving to jossed page.", "No, the author left it open, moving back." "It's obviously jossed, re-moving." "How dare you say I was jossed!!" ad nauseum.

Really, anything at causes people to obsess over whether a guess is confirmed, jossed or arglebafulated seems a bad idea.

edited 16th Dec '10 8:17:07 PM by hatless

Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#584: Dec 16th 2010 at 8:11:52 PM

That could work for the Bleach page. I'll try that.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#585: Dec 17th 2010 at 11:18:13 AM

I wouldn't go borrowing trouble. Currently, if a WMG is jossed or confirmed, then someone will usually add a bullet somewhere below it saying so. These are almost never contested, in my experience.

I don't think massive edit wars over which page it belongs on are that likely, honestly, given how people have reacted in the past.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal Since: Aug, 2009
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#586: Dec 17th 2010 at 7:08:31 PM

WMG.Naruto is done. And now I need a nap.

edit: That's better. Went ahead and fixed Monster.Video Games

JustBugsMe.Mass Effect 2 should now be off the list.

edited 18th Dec '10 2:58:27 PM by Meeble

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#587: Dec 20th 2010 at 2:45:37 PM

I've started on WMG.One Piece.

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Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#589: Dec 20th 2010 at 6:38:16 PM

Working on Bleach 2 now

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Thenamelesssamurai from Atlanta, Georgia Since: Nov, 2010
#590: Dec 20th 2010 at 7:14:30 PM

Done.

edited 20th Dec '10 7:14:42 PM by Thenamelesssamurai

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#592: Dec 21st 2010 at 5:45:35 PM

WMG.One Piece is done.

I will take on the monster WMG.Umineko No Naku Koro Ni next.

Edit: Done.

edited 22nd Dec '10 7:29:52 PM by Meeble

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#593: Dec 24th 2010 at 7:19:23 PM

Starting on WMG.Bleach Shikai Edition

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#594: Dec 27th 2010 at 11:15:49 AM

WMG.Bleach Shikai Edition is done. Could we get another list update?

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FastEddie Since: Apr, 2004
#595: Dec 27th 2010 at 12:08:01 PM

List update.

Heading the wrong direction, now. See all those 400s that just qualified? It's probably best to get each split below 200, if you can.

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#596: Dec 27th 2010 at 12:29:33 PM

Since I are feeling bad about not having helped with this yet, I shall tackle Eye Scream.

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#597: Dec 27th 2010 at 1:12:18 PM

[up][up] Will do. I'm focusing on the massive ones at the top of the list for now (other than the Pantheon page, which has its own splitting effort going on the page discussion), and then I will look at some of the new arrivals.

Just Bugs Me.Bleach is done.

Edit: disregard this edit, I answered my own question.

edited 27th Dec '10 1:17:48 PM by Meeble

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#598: Dec 27th 2010 at 1:25:10 PM

Eye Scream is done.

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OldManHoOh It's super effective. from England Since: Jul, 2010
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#599: Dec 27th 2010 at 2:15:03 PM

On splitting a work like Mass Effect 2, do they go under Main/ or a MassEffect2/ namespace?

edited 27th Dec '10 2:15:37 PM by OldManHoOh

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#600: Dec 27th 2010 at 2:20:23 PM

I've been doing WorkTitle/Page for work pages.

Example: DarkerThanBlack.Season Two Spoilers

edited 27th Dec '10 2:21:04 PM by Meeble

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