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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#4001: Feb 7th 2025 at 12:45:32 AM

Note that under the new Administrivia.Trope Repairing Guidelines there should be no new disambigs replacing tropes (unless they share a name with a work), and some existing ones may still be undone. So it's not clear how much of a problem this is that needs solving in the short term, and in the longer term work disambigs are expected to grow more, so we may end up needing a split within that group at some point in the future.

Edited by MorganWick on Feb 7th 2025 at 12:45:43 PM

Malady (X-Troper)
#4002: Feb 7th 2025 at 8:44:01 AM

Interesting. I wonder if we could replace the works disambigs with Similarly-Named Works and Anchor Links, although Anchors don't seem to work in redirects.

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underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#4003: Feb 7th 2025 at 10:56:37 AM

The thing with anchors is that the target page needs to have the anchor point manually injected. You can't anchor against a WikiWord.

Given that we're currently right on the edge for seeing the warning, and that even work disambigs are relatively slow-growing (and may be a little slower going forward, I've seen some pushback on creating work disambigs too early, such as when there are no subpages overlapping.) I'd agree that this one isn't as urgent.

I'm also confused as to the existence of Disambigs such as Characters.Six and Characters.Black Cat. At best, they should possibly redirect to the primary disambiguations? Not sure where to bring that up, though.

Edited by underCoverSailsman on Feb 7th 2025 at 1:04:55 PM

Malady (X-Troper)
#4004: Feb 7th 2025 at 11:10:55 AM

Well, given how at least for Black Cat, there's only 2 Characters targets but 6-10 works, it makes sense for Characters to be a dismabig. Whether it needs to be listed on the Index however, given that Main is already indexed, I'd say no?

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#4005: Feb 8th 2025 at 8:40:44 PM

Universal Wrestling Federation Shooto The Original Era has the warning.

Right now I'm purging the sinkholed I Know Karate, but before we start splitting this, are the Guest Fighter examples shoehorns?

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#4006: Feb 10th 2025 at 9:41:54 AM

Characters.Total Drama Frogs Of Death had the warning. The last time a Total Drama page got the warning, it was split between male and female characters, so maybe that could be done here too.

TheWrongOne41 The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they) from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#4007: Feb 10th 2025 at 11:46:36 AM

Characters.One Piece Wano is currently 230,846 characters. The "Kurozumi Clan and his supporters" section is long enough to make its own page, but three of its characters are the same who appear on other pages, but put there due to hiding spoilers i'm guessing. Should i just split it off or do something like just adding the sections to their respective character sections?

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#4008: Feb 10th 2025 at 4:34:19 PM

Sorry for insisting with this, but Ambiguity Index is still in need of being split. Otherwise, the page will only grow larger and larger over time.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
Malady (X-Troper)
#4009: Feb 10th 2025 at 4:43:38 PM

Well, we could remove all the Characters entries for the reasons I said above or something, and it should get under the limit, because we only need to clear out <30, but there's 40+ Characters pages?

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#4010: Feb 10th 2025 at 5:10:57 PM

[up]Sounds good to me. Let's see what others think.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#4011: Feb 10th 2025 at 5:54:31 PM

If they have reason to exist, they should probably remain on the index. I don't really believe that they should exist in the first place, but that should probably be discussed elsewhere.

I still feel like we need a clear answer for "Is this an Index?" in the sense that it needs to Do Indexing, as that will affect what our options are.

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#4012: Feb 10th 2025 at 7:55:26 PM

Recap.Ace Attorney Investigations 2 Prosecutors Gambit is at 478,492 bytes and needs to be trimmed down for covering way too much details about the plot.

Considering the size of the folders (Turnabout for the Ages totaling at 141,370 bytes), it's likely moving each into their own pages will still trigger a too large warning anyway.

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TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
Dragon in Waiting
#4014: Feb 14th 2025 at 1:04:38 PM

Characters.Hunger Games Simulation Nominators And Co has become too long again. Here's the second byte check (which doesn't include the folder markup), rounded up to the nearest thousand or so after combining the folders for ensemble groups, unless otherwise stated (with the total rounded up after adding):

  1. 6k1's Assistants: 35k
  2. Dave the Assassin and Associates: 14k
  3. Zanreo's Secret Base: 1.7k
  4. Hassel's Quarters: 21k
  5. Billy and His Group: 18k
  6. Tabby's Base: 12k
  7. Eldraseen and Co.: 1k
  8. The Museum (Hazemaster and co.): 8k
  9. Cassie and Co.: 14k
  10. Tempest Zone: 7.9k
  11. Nine-Tailed Cat's Lab: 5.9k
  • Total byte count: 138k

Individual Nominators:

  1. CosmosAndChaos: 23k
  2. Detective Gamechanger: 2.6k
  3. Elliot: 2k
  4. Ichigo Montoya: 27k
  5. Infinity Ryujin: 1.6k
  6. Kafka: 2.3k
  7. Mett: 907 (no rounding)
  8. Psychedelicate: 6.1k
  9. Mr. Star: 2.4k
  • Total byte count: 68k

Honorary Nominators:

  1. Detective Tableturner: 942 (no rounding)
  2. Skyler: 3.6k
  • Total byte count: 4.5k
  • Total byte count for Individual and Honorary Nominators: 72.5k

My suggestions for the split:

  • Split off 6k1's Assistants (the largest Ensemble Cast by byte count), along with the characters in the Science Center section of Characters.Hunger Games Simulation Lore Characters (4k), into their own page, "Characters.Hunger Games Simulation The Database Library And Science Center". While they barely reach the minimum byte requirement for Character-Specific Pages, I can easily add/update the Other Staff sections to include more employees despite most of them being Bit Characters at mostnote . Narratively, they're heavily associated with 6k1, and her assistants are major recurring characters, so IMO it makes sense for them to have their own page like the Pokémon OCs.
  • Split the page between the following to significantly reduce the overall byte count:
    • Ensemble Casts ("Nominators and Assistants")
    • Individual and Honorary Nominators

Gonna ping ~kablammin45 , ~Scipion 3 , and ~Mummy Ga Ga here again for their thoughts on this, although the other ASAS regulars are free to pitch in.

EDIT: After the latest edit to The Museum, that section's byte count has increased to 8k.

Edited by TroperNo9001 on Feb 15th 2025 at 10:32:17 PM

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MummyGaGa Mermaid Sparkla from A magical realm Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#4015: Feb 14th 2025 at 11:46:44 PM

To be honest, I would prefer the latter option, or at the very least, give the Individual and Honorary Nominators their own page just because a page for Individual and Honorary Nominators would have more known bytes than a page for the Database Library And Science Center.

Also, shouldn't the Total Byte Count for the Individual and Honorary Nominators be 72.5 as 68 + 4.5 = 72.5.

BTW, please call me Jake.
TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
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#4016: Feb 15th 2025 at 3:58:17 AM

[up]Fixed.

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TheWrongOne41 The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they) from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#4017: Feb 16th 2025 at 11:42:16 PM

Continuing this, i noticed that Kurozumi Orochi's folder page's got 59 thousand characters, which would reduce it to 171 thousand characters. However, the page has been deleted beforehand (i presume due to it being short)

Am i allowed to reinstate Characters.One Piece Kurozumi Orochi's page to reduce Characters.One Piece Wano's page from 231 thousand to 171?

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#4018: Feb 17th 2025 at 3:23:45 AM

See Character-Specific Pages. Single-character pages are to be created only as a last resort due to a history of them being treated as badges of honor. This thread deals with CSPs and Character page subdivisions more generally.

TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
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#4019: Feb 17th 2025 at 4:41:48 AM

[up][up][up][up]Two more RPers on ASAS' Discord server also agreed on that split, so I'll see if I can get to that later.

EDIT: Done.

Edited by TroperNo9001 on Feb 18th 2025 at 1:10:23 AM

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Leliel Since: Aug, 2009
#4020: Feb 17th 2025 at 12:58:26 PM

From Ask A Troper, the Fire Emblem entries in Sliding Scale of Gameplay and Story Integration take up a really huge chunk of the Video Games folder, and it might just be better to give it its own page for lack of clutter; it's not reaching page-breaking length yet, but it is kind of overwhelming for the folder it's in.

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#4022: Feb 21st 2025 at 6:12:40 PM

This is the third time I'm bringing up Ambiguity Index.

Would it be okay if I divided the index into:

I genuinely feel that we cannot wait for any longer. As I mentioned before, the current page is just getting bigger and bigger.

Edited by MyFinalEdits on Feb 21st 2025 at 10:22:18 AM

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
TheWrongOne41 The Clown is in town (*he*/she/they) from Somewhere, Mexico Since: May, 2022 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#4023: Feb 21st 2025 at 6:16:29 PM

I think that would be ok.

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FSharp Resisting a rest Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I wanna know what love is
#4024: Feb 21st 2025 at 6:18:27 PM

Maybe it should be # to H. Unless you want to keep that # folder on the page.

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#4025: Feb 21st 2025 at 6:20:49 PM

Will edit my post to change the first link to "Numbers to H", with a future wikiword request so it displays "# to H". [tup]

EDIT: The split process has been a success. However, I'm not sure why the indexing of Ambiguity Index isn't working on the subpages. It's still classified as an index and the "Does Indexing" tag is enabled. At least the subpages themselves do index their listed items properly.

Edited by MyFinalEdits on Feb 21st 2025 at 11:25:55 AM

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311

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