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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

KyrieUmineko Huey Emmerich from Somewhere in Bendigo Since: Nov, 2024 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Huey Emmerich
#3976: Jan 15th 2025 at 4:50:08 PM

[up] i have none, go ahead.

VocaLayton He/Him from the Void Since: Jul, 2023
He/Him
#3977: Jan 17th 2025 at 5:53:11 PM

Off with His Head! has the warning.

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BlueBlazes from United States Since: Dec, 2019
#3978: Jan 19th 2025 at 6:44:12 AM

For Mortal Kombat: Guest Fighters, I was thinking of splitting the characters into separate pages, one for the Netherrealm continuity (9-11) and one for the new reboot continuity (1 and any future DLC)

Edited by BlueBlazes on Jan 19th 2025 at 9:45:11 AM

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#3979: Jan 19th 2025 at 6:39:11 PM

Mainstream Obscurity is getting the warning at over 200,000 characters, but splitting by medium seems fairly simple.

[down] I may try that when I get the chance.

Edited by Lymantria on Jan 20th 2025 at 8:12:41 AM

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#3980: Jan 20th 2025 at 4:55:58 AM

If you want to split individual mediums (which we seem to prefer over everything at once), Music seems to be the largest by a wide margin, followed by Comic Books.

AnoneMouseJr Since: Nov, 2010
#3981: Jan 20th 2025 at 6:17:05 AM

While wick-cleaning, found that WMG.Multi Versus is showing the warning at 179,000+.

Edit: GetAStupidAnswer.Music is also showing the warning at 211,000+.

Edit 2: And IThoughtItMeant.A To C, at 186,000+.

Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr.

Edited by AnoneMouseJr on Jan 20th 2025 at 9:33:46 AM

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
#3982: Jan 20th 2025 at 5:21:19 PM

I split off MainstreamObscurity.Music and the warning no longer appears, but the main Mainstream Obscurity page is still over 190,000 characters, so maybe split off more subpages if it gets too long again.

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Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
KonoeJerry Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Omelette du fromage~
#3984: Jan 23rd 2025 at 12:42:02 PM

So it looks like Zenless Zone Zero: Agent Factions - Part 2 is getting a "too long" page warning. Is it time to make a "Part 3" page?

Part 2 can keep Victoria Housekeeping and the Sons of Calydon, while Section 6 and the Stars of Lyra can go to Part 3.

Malady (X-Troper)
#3985: Jan 27th 2025 at 8:07:53 AM

VideoGame.The Binding Of Isaac

Split into regular and VideoGame.The Binding Of Isaac Rebirth since that's already a redirect?

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#3986: Jan 27th 2025 at 11:26:41 AM

[up] That'll work, maybe even a couple pages from the spinoff titles, one of which has its own examples list.

MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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Time to SLEEP
#3988: Feb 1st 2025 at 12:01:26 AM

Characters.Genshin Impact Natlan has hit the too long warning again. Perhaps the six tribes could get their own page? They combine up to 121,415 characters.

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MB74 Since: Feb, 2024 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Malady (X-Troper)
#3990: Feb 1st 2025 at 4:04:26 PM

Characters.Skullgirls DLC Characters - Split by already listed sections?

Characters.Shaman King

WesternAnimation.Gargoyles

WMG.Hazbin Hotel Post Premiere Theories

XMeetsY.Western Animation Shows G To P

Edited by Malady on Feb 3rd 2025 at 7:28:10 AM

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costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
Malady (X-Troper)
#3992: Feb 5th 2025 at 8:15:29 AM

I wouldn't mind splitting off Ambiguous Work Names, like Fanfic.Aberration?

Did it come up already or did we only know that it would?

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AnoneMouseJr Since: Nov, 2010
#3993: Feb 5th 2025 at 11:46:08 AM

Characters.Infinity Crisis is showing the warning at 230,000+.

Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr.

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underCoverSailsman Peeks from Under Rocks from State of Flux Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Peeks from Under Rocks
#3994: Feb 5th 2025 at 12:00:48 PM

[up][up]From the page header, it sounds like the work names were the original focus for the index. Might be better, for the moment, to pull the disambiguated tropes out to their own page.

Malady (X-Troper)
#3995: Feb 5th 2025 at 12:01:31 PM

Fine by me.

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AnoneMouseJr Since: Nov, 2010
#3996: Feb 5th 2025 at 1:18:14 PM

RoleAssociation.Live Action TVN To Z is also showing the warning, at only 150,000+ characters.

Until next time...

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Peeks from Under Rocks
#3997: Feb 5th 2025 at 2:00:55 PM

[up][up]Do you want to play with that, or should I? I'm thinking run up a sandbox as a test before making big changes to what is a major index on the wiki.

Malady (X-Troper)
#3998: Feb 5th 2025 at 2:17:29 PM

You probably should, I'm juggling a TLP and other projects.

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Peeks from Under Rocks
#3999: Feb 5th 2025 at 10:14:14 PM

Okay, I've started playing with Sandbox.Ambiguity Index Works and Sandbox.Ambiguity Index Tropey Things to see where this might go. Sorted out the numeric and A folders so far, and done some math. Of 186 disambiguation pages looked at:

  • 27 refer only to tropes, trope indices, or other non-narrative content, excluding creator pages
  • 96 refer only to works or creators (mostly bands)
  • 63 refer to both

The entire ambiguity index points to 2,819 pages at present.

This is not a proper usage check (not randomized), but if we were to go through with the split in this fashion and the proportions remain similar through the alphabet I would expect:

  • Somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,400 entries on the "Tropey" page
  • Somewhere around 2,400 remaining links on the "Works" page
  • >900 of these entries would be duplicated across both pages

Of note: in my test sandbox, removing the 27 Tropey-only entries removed the "Too Long" message, so figure that the trigger point is somewhere around 2,800 for this kind of list.

Frankly, I'm not sure if the extra maintenance effort is worth the headroom, and we may need to re-think. This might depend on the purpose of Ambiguity Index: is this index supposed to be worried about indexing? That is, are the index navigation options for these sorts of entries considered important, or is this just a convenient way to maintain a list of disambiguation pages?

Malady (X-Troper)
#4000: Feb 6th 2025 at 12:42:24 PM

Hmm, if Anchor Points work as redirects, we could remove All Asians Are Alike and just point it to its entry on Administrivia.Split Tropes, if we make it say what two tropes it was split into.

Even if the redirect doesn't work perfectly, it's informative enough, and who's using the page anymore anyway?


In other things, Characters.Saikyou Juzoku Tensei is now too long.

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