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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

samicable Solitary Observer from Not your business Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Solitary Observer
#2976: Dec 5th 2023 at 11:39:55 AM

I split the Genshin meme page into two pages; one for playable character-related memes and the other being the main page with everything else. As such, I think it can be taken off the list for now.

Edited by samicable on Dec 5th 2023 at 2:40:08 PM

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Memer999 da roba from The Wild East Since: Nov, 2020 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
da roba
#2977: Dec 5th 2023 at 4:04:21 PM

Should we split Characters.Death Battle Season Eight into episodes 140-148 and episodes 149-156?

Edited by Memer999 on Dec 5th 2023 at 4:09:01 AM

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KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2978: Dec 6th 2023 at 9:18:04 PM

In regards to the issue I brought up here, I think the solution would be to make Public Service Announcements: Transport Safety a page, given how much space on the page it takes up.

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
Malady (X-Troper)
#2979: Dec 7th 2023 at 7:09:56 PM

Looking at Completed Fic, should we split off Comic Strips or just make a "Calvin and Hobbes" subpage since that's our only comic strip?

Or also Toys only being "Ever After High"?

Not sure if Web Original is the right namespace for Monster Girl Encyclopedia.

At least Web Video SMP Live is right.

Edited by Malady on Dec 7th 2023 at 7:21:18 AM

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2980: Dec 7th 2023 at 11:16:57 PM

Note that The Monster Girl Encyclopedia does not appear to have ever been namespaced and seems to have been cut by 5P in 2012 in the aftermath of The Second Google Incident. A fanfic of a non-5P-compliant work is not necessarily itself non-5P-compliant, but it does compound the issue of how to categorize it. (The fanfic page itself links to it as though it were a page in the Literature namespace, but the impression I get is that the original work(s) were a bit more decentralized than I'd normally expect for that, though maybe more in the publication than the creation.)

Edited by MorganWick on Dec 7th 2023 at 11:18:15 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#2981: Dec 8th 2023 at 5:54:27 AM

WebOriginal.The Monster Girl Encyclopedia is where the cut notice is located?

I must've seen a redirect like the Main implies.


Thanks, Spectacular Troper, whoever you are!

Edited by Malady on Dec 8th 2023 at 10:36:21 AM

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2982: Dec 8th 2023 at 11:38:18 PM

[up]The work was categorized as a Web Original on the Completed Fic page, but I'm not sure even a redirect existed in the Web Original namespace; note that there's no cut notice there. Also, note that Spectacular Troper got called out for how they split the page on the too-short thread, including seemingly treating it as an in-universe trope.

Edited by MorganWick on Dec 8th 2023 at 11:39:38 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#2983: Dec 8th 2023 at 11:49:04 PM

[up] - The No-"The" version has wicks leading to it, one from a Content Policy Sandbox, which must've been what confused me.

Judging from the pages that have wicks, people dunno if it's Literature, or Web Original, and some think it has a "The".

Mystery solved!

...

Those splits are concern-worthy, true. Maybe I'll say something there. Goodnight.

Edited by Malady on Dec 8th 2023 at 11:50:27 AM

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BlackFaithStar [Hiatus til March] from 🇲🇾 (UTC plus 8) (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
[Hiatus til March]
#2984: Dec 9th 2023 at 5:20:05 AM

As I've mentioned, I'm fine with splitting MohsRockMetal.Levels 8 And 9 to MohsRockMetal.Level 8 and MohsRockMetal.Level 9, but I'm unsure what to put in the introductory paragraph for each page. Currently, their shared page opens with this:

We're in the final stretch, and the music here is starting to become absolutely relentless. Watch your step here. Listeners new to heavy metal should ideally check out songs from Levels 6 and 7 first.

When you're alone I'm reaching out to let you know that you're far from strangers, like the savior
Coachpill Taxidermy (he/him) from Gen Z Since: Aug, 2022 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2986: Dec 12th 2023 at 2:31:49 AM

~kuchiki222 removed the warning on Memes.Video Games... by splitting the whole section for sorted memes in two. Correct me if I'm wrong (or being overly anal/prone to treating this as Serious Business) but my impression is that we don't split medium subpages of trope pages (as opposed to works' example sections) alphabetically, as opposed to splitting out specific franchises, unless the situation is such that we really have to, and I'm especially reticent to do so for Memes/ where not all the examples get split because some aren't properly formatted, and in this case I identified a couple of franchises that were large enough to at least potentially warrant a split, neither of which appear to have been split. Couple that with the question that came up on the last page of whether this project is still all that important at all (though I think I need to get clarification on that), and the whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Malady (X-Troper)
#2987: Dec 12th 2023 at 6:33:38 AM

It's a more useful split to split by work. Easier for people to pick out what they want to read!

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JDMA12 He/Him from the 31st Century (Troper in training)
He/Him
#2988: Dec 12th 2023 at 9:47:57 AM

Re: X-Men: Title Team (1)

The X-Men team page is already split into decades. The idea of the sandbox, as far as I'm aware, is to merge them into a single page. Main problem behind launching and merging is ofc it's size. Main thing to help right now would probably be cleaning up the folders (on the original pages, and then copypaste them into the sandbox), and, if possible expanding the larger folders with more tropes, so they can possibly be split into character-specific pages.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2990: Dec 14th 2023 at 4:06:19 PM

The message changed now!

"This article is becoming very very long. This may lead to extensive load and save times. Pretty please, really consider creating multiple pages!"

Sandbox.X Men Title Team still displays the message, but does the rest of the list? Gotta go have dinner, so can't check.

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#2991: Dec 14th 2023 at 5:03:50 PM

Teacher/Student Romance is giving the warning. Which sections should I split?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#2992: Dec 14th 2023 at 9:17:50 PM

EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.Video Games just blasted me with the red header on top.

Regrettably, this was after I made some edits and added around twenty bullet-points in a new folder for Run-and-Gun

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2993: Dec 15th 2023 at 12:19:03 AM

Reports on the Changelog thread suggest the warning is triggering at a lower threshold than it used to. However, it's now explicitly supposed to be a suggestion, not a requirement, though the "very, very long" wording might come off as the opposite. Basically, the main thing to look for is whether or not the page is taking too long to load or save.

Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2994: Dec 15th 2023 at 12:46:30 AM

As a followup to ~kory's post, I've done a test.

The Editor will show this warning when the edit box has 400,000 characters. It won't prevent saving.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_10_65.png


The Red banner appears when the loaded page inside "main-article"'s DIV (meaning after wiki markup is converted into HTML) has 400,000, instead of 500,000. In editor it may show up as 180,000 or lower.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_11_36.png

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 15th 2023 at 11:48:34 PM

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AudioSpeaks2 Since: Apr, 2022
#2995: Dec 15th 2023 at 5:28:16 AM

NCIS is displaying the warning. I don't know the show, but I suggest to someone more familiar with the show to just sort the tropes into ones that fit a certain season because there are season specific subpages.

Malady (X-Troper)
#2996: Dec 15th 2023 at 5:57:54 AM

[up][up] - Hmm... Internet speeds have risen since the limits were set way back then? We have better servers and stuff. Should we raise the limit to match?

Are saves and loads a bandwidth bottleneck, or the server?


The Cameo has the issue, but IIRC it's in the middle of being cleaned to subtropes?

Edited by Malady on Dec 15th 2023 at 7:13:58 AM

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kory Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Admin
#2997: Dec 15th 2023 at 8:33:10 AM

You may personally have faster speeds but a lot of the world, U.S. included, still does not have ultra high speed internet. I’ve noticed that even on local WiFi spots that the larger pages will still take time to load.

It’s still just a suggestion, since the worst case scenario is just a few extra seconds of loading and apparently Google indexing isn’t a fan of extremely large pages. But with how impatient people are they may leave thinking the whole site is slow if that’s their first experience with TV Tropes.

I can change the wording if it seems confusing. What would be more clear? I also didn’t know exactly where to set the threshold for slower internet users. So we can change it to whatever seems best.

Edited by kory on Dec 15th 2023 at 8:43:03 AM

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2998: Dec 15th 2023 at 9:20:46 AM

Do speeds work on a breakpoint system where everything after a certain point gets a markedly slower load, or is it a continuous progression?

If it's breakpointing, then just aiming to be lower than the breakpoint would be best?

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kory Admin (Life not ruined yet) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#3000: Dec 15th 2023 at 9:57:33 AM

Let me get some more clarification from the site owner on this and ill get back to you all.

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