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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

Malady (X-Troper)
#2951: Nov 27th 2023 at 5:53:31 AM

ShoutOut.Akibas Trip seems as long as ShoutOut.Video Games's ANNO: Mutationem entry, so split that out if it's not too short?

Edited by Malady on Nov 27th 2023 at 5:54:02 AM

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2952: Nov 28th 2023 at 6:39:31 AM

And Completed Fic is back to being too long.

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Duxk (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
#2953: Nov 28th 2023 at 11:48:58 AM

I think the descriptions on Completed Fic can probably be removed, the other Fanfic indexes don't have them and they don't really add anything. (Also I think some of the longest ones are copy-pasted from the fics)

I also wonder if changing the layout of the page to be more like One-Shot Fic would reduce the size in any significant way. I'm not sure having a folder for each individual fandom is really necessary.

TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
Dragon in Waiting
#2954: Nov 28th 2023 at 1:05:23 PM

[up][up][up]You mean move the ANNO: Mutationem entry to its own page? Perhaps so.

Edited by TroperNo9001 on Nov 28th 2023 at 5:05:46 PM

Still waiting for someone to break him free...
Malady (X-Troper)
#2955: Nov 29th 2023 at 9:21:56 AM

Well, we have a long time to decide on that.

Characters.Spider Man Insomniac Villains just came up.

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TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
Dragon in Waiting
#2957: Nov 30th 2023 at 2:39:22 AM

And so is Summary.Video Games.

Still waiting for someone to break him free...
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2958: Nov 30th 2023 at 5:44:11 AM

[up][up]The iDOLM@STER and non-Persona Shin Megami Tensei both take up more than a screen when I'm viewing the source on mobile (impressive considering how many lines it takes to fill up the screen in view-source mode), with the former taking up slightly more space.

[up]The last two folders might be better fits on other pages, with "video game developers" in particular potentially being a better fit on Companies with some of them on People. The last folder could go on a separate page for... whatever we decided to do with those pages.

BlackFaithStar [Hiatus til March] from 🇲🇾 (UTC plus 8) (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2960: Nov 30th 2023 at 7:26:34 AM

The 10/11 page is big enough that a simple split between 8 and 9 is probably best.

BlackFaithStar [Hiatus til March] from 🇲🇾 (UTC plus 8) (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
[Hiatus til March]
#2961: Nov 30th 2023 at 7:39:25 AM

I could do that but I'm unsure of what to write for the introductory paragraphy/sentence for each page. Here's the current one, to clarify what I'm referring to.

We're in the final stretch, and the music here is starting to become absolutely relentless. Watch your step here. Listeners new to heavy metal should ideally check out songs from Levels 6 and 7 first.

When you're alone I'm reaching out to let you know that you're far from strangers, like the savior
TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
Dragon in Waiting
#2962: Nov 30th 2023 at 9:55:27 AM

[up][up][up][up]I think the Hardware folder can go in Summary.Other.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2964: Nov 30th 2023 at 12:23:24 PM

That'd be nice. Then we could turn Re-merge talks into a general sub-page talk or something, maybe.

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ToonAbby Have a Death-End Thanksgiving, y'all! from Gamindustri Since: Jan, 2022 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Have a Death-End Thanksgiving, y'all!
#2965: Dec 2nd 2023 at 7:01:38 PM

I went to the edit page on Summary.Video Games and I got a warning before going back. I think this may have to do with the Video Games folder being too long, so I suggest we split that into individual pages, here's my suggestions:

"It's requested that your death ends here, now!" - Sayaka, Death end re;Quest Code Z.
TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
Dragon in Waiting
#2966: Dec 3rd 2023 at 12:30:33 AM

[up]I'm already onboard with moving the Companies, Creators, and Hardware folders to the other Summary pages, and while I was considering sorting the Video Game folder by genre like in Summary.Live Action Films, some games fall under multiple or are hard to categorize that way. I can roll with alphabetization, too.

Still waiting for someone to break him free...
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2967: Dec 3rd 2023 at 6:13:10 AM

Sorting by genre is more common in video-game-specific tropes than in anything having to do with film, so that would be the most logical way to organize/split them. Problem of course is that it can be hard to tell which is which without context.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#2968: Dec 3rd 2023 at 10:23:37 PM

Characters.Dumbing Of Age is giving the warning.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
Dragon in Waiting
#2969: Dec 4th 2023 at 7:34:59 AM

Since it's been a few days, I've done the offloading from ShoutOut.Video Games and Summary.Video Games. Figured that they should be done before the database maintenance begins.

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Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
GrafVonTirol We can be heroes, just for one day from a state of boredom (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Standing outside, playing "In Your Eyes" on the boombox
We can be heroes, just for one day
#2971: Dec 4th 2023 at 2:14:29 PM

[up]x6: While the warning no longer appears there, I think sorting by genre may be a better idea, albeit it'll take time. Time I may be willing to spare, and it's a matter of time before that may be a concern again.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
Malady (X-Troper)
#2973: Dec 4th 2023 at 3:39:55 PM

Hmm... ShoutOut.Video Games is, for now, not too-long, but if we re-merge these really short pages, we'll need to split something else out? If so, what?

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AnoneMouseJr Since: Nov, 2010
#2974: Dec 4th 2023 at 5:04:52 PM

The "Individual Examples" section could easily just be split off into #-L and M-Y subpages.

Until next time...

Anon e Mouse Jr.

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VampireBuddha Calendar enthusiast from Ireland (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Calendar enthusiast
#2975: Dec 5th 2023 at 9:12:54 AM

Re Characters.Dumbing Of Age: How about splitting it thusly:

  • Clark Wing
  • Beck Wing
  • Other students
  • Staff, families, and Galasso's

Ukrainian Red Cross

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