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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#2926: Nov 9th 2023 at 10:50:25 AM

I'm too lazy (and at work) to implement these, but here are some ways to fix the pages listed at Overly Long Pages:

costanton11 Since: Mar, 2016
#2927: Nov 9th 2023 at 12:18:22 PM

~Chris 116 To cut list a page, you go to this page and paste it there. Though, as pointed out, since it wasn’t cut earlier, there have been some edits that aren’t reflected on the split pages, so we’ll have to see about that.

Malady (X-Troper)
#2928: Nov 11th 2023 at 7:35:30 PM

Summary.Video Games is big enough to be slow loading when trying to edit it? Split out the last two folders since they're not games, but Creators and Useful Notes?

Or just make some pages?

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#2929: Nov 11th 2023 at 8:05:25 PM

I forgot to mention, I added Characters.Death Battle Season Eight to Overly Long Pages since it threw up the warning while I was doing some wick clean-ups.

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2930: Nov 12th 2023 at 2:04:55 AM

[up][up]Downloading the page produces a 913 KB (!) file. Part of the problem is the long list of subpage links at the top, which don't count for purposes of the warning, but still, I'm a bit amazed it's not triggering the warning.

[up]Probably just split them similarly to the other split seasons on either side of it.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2931: Nov 16th 2023 at 12:20:59 AM

Characters.My Hero Academia All For One is triggering the warning.

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2932: Nov 16th 2023 at 2:50:01 AM

Yikes, have we ever had a page for a single character trigger the warning before? See if it can't be cleaned up.

Malady (X-Troper)
#2933: Nov 16th 2023 at 7:48:15 AM

Been looking at the code, and tropes in the examples section have a "title" attribute for the links. Isn't that just useless bloat since hovering over links with only an "href" gives the same target info, like the "Tropes" at the top "main-header-bar"?

https://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_global_title.asp

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#2934: Nov 19th 2023 at 1:58:56 PM

Fanfics of 2010–2013 is giving the warning. The obvious solution is to redistribute it and the other two Fanfics of the 2010s subpages by every two years, but I'm starting to have concerns about what all these splits do to the navigational header. Namely, adding excessive numbers of links to increasingly smaller subcategories. If nothing changes, we're eventually going to reach a point where the header will take up too much space due to containing multiple instances of "fanfiction of X individual year".

Would it be reasonable to overhaul the headers for the "fanfic by year" indexes to use the more efficient header style seen on the likes of Characters.Pokemon's subpages? Under this system, the various "fanfic of X decade" pages" would have links to the other overarching decades' fanfic indexes, while subpages would just list something like the following:

Cave Johnson, we're done here.
MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2935: Nov 20th 2023 at 4:16:05 AM

I'd be prepared for the possibility of the 2010s pages needing to be re-divided into four pages.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#2936: Nov 20th 2023 at 1:39:55 PM

YMMV.Genshin Impact is giving the warning. Still editable, but...

Malady (X-Troper)
#2937: Nov 20th 2023 at 1:52:21 PM

How about splitting out Complacent Gaming Syndrome, Demonic Spiders? They're about three screens for me?

Edited by Malady on Nov 20th 2023 at 1:53:40 AM

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Excessive-Menace Time to SLEEP from the Velvet Cage (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Dancing with myself
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#2938: Nov 20th 2023 at 11:39:20 PM

YMMV.Genshin Impact has hit the "too long" warning. Would it be okay to split it in multiple pages like for YMMV.Persona 5?

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#2939: Nov 21st 2023 at 6:25:49 AM

I support the split.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
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KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2941: Nov 24th 2023 at 3:49:05 AM

NightmareFuel.Public Service Announcements Safety is giving me the warning that it's too long. I think that the road safety examples should be given their own page given just how large the section is. (also, in that event, the page image should probably be moved there as well since it's from a road safety campaign)

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Duxk (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
#2942: Nov 25th 2023 at 7:35:18 PM

Completed Fic is giving the warning. I'm guessing it'd be best to move one of the sections to its own page? (I think Western Animation is the longest).

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#2943: Nov 25th 2023 at 8:23:13 PM

[up] That one has 70+ folders and the Anime/Manga section has 42 folders. My vote's to move both to their own subpages.

Edited by Willbyr on Nov 25th 2023 at 10:32:57 AM

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2945: Nov 26th 2023 at 3:14:42 AM

The Crossover folder is actually the largest in terms of raw size, it just doesn't look like it because it has only two folders. Animanga actually isn't that far ahead of Video Games. When I copy them to my sandbox and download them, Crossover is 230 KB, Western Animation 218, Animanga 155.

(Also, should the fanfic-recs-y descriptions on some entries be there?)

Duxk (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
#2946: Nov 26th 2023 at 12:09:08 PM

I didn't realize the Crossover section was that long. Maybe Crossover and Western Animation should be split off then?

Malady (X-Troper)
#2947: Nov 26th 2023 at 12:54:11 PM

RoleAssociation.Video Games English L To Z - I guess we just split it more?

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#2948: Nov 26th 2023 at 1:27:19 PM

In fairness, L-to-Z is bound to become a huge margin over time.

Maybe L-to-R and S-to-Z will do?

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
Malady (X-Troper)
#2949: Nov 26th 2023 at 2:35:46 PM

We're at 10 on the list again, not that the latest has been added...

Looking at Completed Fic... Do we need all the fic descriptions? If we remove those, will we fall under the limit?

Just removing two one-shots removed the warning. Someone should watch it, if no one is.

Edited by Malady on Nov 26th 2023 at 5:09:48 AM

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TroperNo9001 Dragon in Waiting from the Dollhouse (Wise, aged troper) Relationship Status: I turn to stone when you are gone
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#2950: Nov 27th 2023 at 2:16:56 AM

ShoutOut.Video Games has become "too long" again.

Still waiting for someone to break him free...

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