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Kory: i will need to do some more testing to see if the 500KB should be lowered even more but either way everyone can relax because the database will not crash or implode in anyway due to page size so splitting pages isn't a huge priority and is just more of a suggestion. For pages that actually load slow, splitting the pages will help slower internet users navigate these pages better.

     Eddie's old post 
Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

another programmer's thing 

See this page: Overly Long Pages

Explanation of what triggers the too-long page warning

Edited by kory on Dec 18th 2023 at 2:36:21 AM

Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
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#2826: Jun 19th 2023 at 6:37:19 PM

[up] I've been prepping for that ever since it was mentioned. When it switches, I'd keep the 7.5k-10k as the hidden "on the cusp" tropes like how 2k-2.5k is right now. Just now I updated the top chunk of 5k-7.5k to see what would be near the threshold for the hypothesized hidden section. There's 9 of 'em above 7.4k, so those'll be the ones I'll keep an eye on.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2827: Jun 20th 2023 at 10:14:18 PM

Well, I'm not against it. If we want to store a list of "Soon to hit the threshold, but somewhere that won't be put on Related Pages", we can make Troper Wall/ for a page, right?


Looking at Headscratchers.Star Trek The Next Generation, could we split it at "Other Civilizations" or "The United Federation of Planets and Starfleet"? Because it changes from Characters to Civilizations / Cultures at that point?

Edited by Malady on Jun 20th 2023 at 10:14:41 AM

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Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#2828: Jun 23rd 2023 at 5:09:51 PM

Is there a way we can break up. The *Pokémon Pokémon Awesome page. It’s nearly 250,000 bytes and a pain in the ass to edit. Maybe put Ash and his Pokémon on one Page and the rest on another

Edited by Furygildeman on Jun 24th 2023 at 10:09:15 AM

MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2829: Jun 24th 2023 at 4:05:26 AM

I feel like the bigger problem there is that the way it's organized isn't necessarily intuitive.

Walkinshadows Since: Jun, 2012
#2830: Jun 24th 2023 at 5:02:40 AM

Normally, series are better off being organized by seasons/episodes. Organizing by characters is a rather odd choice.

Furygildeman Since: Nov, 2017
#2831: Jun 24th 2023 at 10:08:08 AM

Yeah but it was decided for this show. We could split it off by series but that would require a deep dive

Malady (X-Troper)
#2832: Jun 26th 2023 at 11:35:33 AM

Is Ambiguity Index just lagging for me, or should we split due to lag / length?

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#2833: Jun 26th 2023 at 11:44:37 AM

It's lagging for me too but not sure it's because of the page's length

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2835: Jun 26th 2023 at 7:52:50 PM

Split off the United States section?

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#2836: Jun 27th 2023 at 12:20:35 AM

Well, downloading the Ambiguity Index page results in a file of 445 KB, so while it has a ways to go before triggering the warning it's definitely on the long side.

Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
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#2837: Jun 27th 2023 at 9:34:28 PM

Well, Piter actually pulled the trigger on shortening Overdosed Tropes! The original pattern for "waiting in the wings" tropes was a little inconvenient to have to convert into the visible format, so I propose bringing the 7.5k-10k format back as it is, just hidden. We can use the numlist thingy outlined in Text Formatting Rules to comment out a whole section.

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#2838: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:34:22 PM

Sure, we can do that.

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ItMarki he/him Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#2839: Jun 27th 2023 at 11:58:39 PM

I've brought myself here because I've been following Overdosed Tropes. I understand the reason behind raising the threshold, but I can't help feeling upset about how many entries are deleted (especially because one of my projects involves that page).

I'm not going to let my feelings interfere, though, and ask what we can do about the deleted entries. Do we forget about them? Can we keep the entries in a sandbox (split or not)?

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Piterpicher Veteran Editor IV from Poland, for real (Series 2) Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#2840: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:26:27 AM

I'd suggest putting them on your tropes page/sandbox, if it's something you care about.

Edited by Piterpicher on Jun 28th 2023 at 11:26:41 AM

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Yindee Just stoic wisdom. from New England Since: Jul, 2016
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#2841: Jun 28th 2023 at 6:28:01 AM

7.5k+ added and commented out. I've moved the chunk of "nearing 7.5k" to my sandbox to mind. Two of them had actually passed the threshold in the week+ since I'd updated their counts.

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2843: Jun 28th 2023 at 4:37:06 PM

Could split up into Genre and Medium?

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#2847: Jul 5th 2023 at 8:47:32 AM

Not sure it this is entirely on-topic, but does the thread have a view on splitting trope pages by gender?

Looking at Star-Derailing Role, the very long film section was split (years ago) into "actor" and "actress" pages - the troper who did so has never posted on this thread and didn't leave an edit reason, but I'm not denying it needed a split.

However, from a 2023 perspective, that feels like a less than ideal way to split it. We have actors who've transitioned mid-career, and we have actors who are non-binary.

Before I go down a rabbit hole on this, I just wanted to check in on the thread and see if this was a thing you'd discussed before.

(Forum search, as usual, didn't find much)

Thanks!

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 5th 2023 at 4:47:50 PM

Tabs Since: Jan, 2001
#2848: Jul 5th 2023 at 10:42:23 AM

There's [Live-Action Film] "Actors", "Actresses", "Multiple Offenders", and the remaining on-page examples. There's no sense to me in splitting by gender. I don't remember if any discussion was had, but now here's a discussion. Maybe merge Actors and Actresses and re-split alphabetically, and keep Multiple Offenders as is.

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#2849: Jul 12th 2023 at 6:28:54 AM

Characters.Kingdom Hearts Disney Villains has the warning.

Okay, looks like either a split is not finished or it is not cut yet.

Edited by Berrenta on Jul 12th 2023 at 8:31:53 AM

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