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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#20801: Oct 29th 2019 at 1:25:54 PM

I recall there being plans for several spinoffs. Are any of the others still being produced?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#20802: Oct 29th 2019 at 1:30:48 PM

[up][up][up] Haha, pretending that literally anyone thought he was dead.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#20803: Oct 30th 2019 at 6:28:03 AM

I just wonder if D&D are simply trying to be truthful here, or if they genuily do not understand how bad this confession makes them look like?

Normally I would guess the former, but considering how they were blissfully talking about Dany forgetingt the Iron fleet... .

Edited by Zarastro on Oct 30th 2019 at 2:32:06 PM

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#20804: Oct 30th 2019 at 6:30:42 AM

If they aren't being truthful, I have no idea why they'd intentionally put out a version of the story that makes them look like feckless grifters.

It almost feels more like trying to make excuses and minimising the blame on them, but it's working in the opposite way.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Oct 30th 2019 at 1:31:48 PM

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#20806: Oct 30th 2019 at 6:57:46 AM

...I really thought this was dead. Everybody at my job was groaning over the finale.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#20808: Oct 30th 2019 at 8:21:51 AM

But rises again harder and stronger.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#20809: Oct 30th 2019 at 10:18:02 AM

The one two punch for GOT fans oof

Just Makima.
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#20810: Oct 30th 2019 at 10:38:19 AM

Yep, Dungeons and Dragons ended up believing their own bluff, and this series' reputation suffered heavily from the finale. This was no Breaking Bad.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#20812: Oct 31st 2019 at 10:23:42 AM

Well that doesn't explain the mediocre writing, straight-white male bias, and getting the jobs on account of privilege and nepotism...

Okey Dokey!
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#20813: Oct 31st 2019 at 10:26:14 AM

Yeah, Rian made a great movie aside from one really dodgy subplot, the vast majority of the flak that The Last Jedi got was that it subverted a lot of expectations for how people thought Luke would figure into it.

XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
There is no Planet B
#20814: Oct 31st 2019 at 11:43:11 AM

[up] Lol, "subverted expectations", that's a paddlin.

I'm not into Star Wars, so I can't say or compare, but this phrase is so funny after the final season of GoT and how it was received.

"Subverted expectations" and [X] kinda forgot about [Y] are the best and worst memes that came out of season 8.

Edited by XFllo on Oct 31st 2019 at 7:46:10 PM

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#20815: Oct 31st 2019 at 12:02:33 PM

Except in the case of Star Wars instead of the writers forgetting about characterization it was th fans thinking character development over thirty in-universe years isn't a factor.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#20816: Oct 31st 2019 at 1:28:13 PM

[up] Or it might be the writers thinking that character derailment is the same as character development. And thus they completely devalued previous great scenes.

Remember the intense scene with Jaime in the bath, when he told Brienne why he killed the king and shamed himself forever?

Or when Luke refused to give up on his father, even when Yoda and Obi-Wan told him that it was hopeless. And when he refused to give into his anger threw his lightsaber away?

I know that many people can't enjoy those scenes anymore, because they know how those characters will later nonsensically go against the values they expressed there, just to further the plot. At least I certainly can not.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#20817: Oct 31st 2019 at 2:00:29 PM

Giving up on your father because you know there's still good in him is one thing. Having your life's work utterly annihilated in the space of a night because of a hasty mistake is quite another.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#20818: Oct 31st 2019 at 2:06:57 PM

Eh, I think it's more fans had 30 out-of-universe years to create their own idea of how the character should be.

But this is absolutely neither here nor there.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#20819: Oct 31st 2019 at 2:12:18 PM

[up] Which is just another case of people confusing their headcanon for actual canon.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Oct 31st 2019 at 10:13:05 AM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#20820: Oct 31st 2019 at 2:52:18 PM

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A mistake Luke should have never made, as it went against everythin we saw about him in the OT. Just like "I never cared for the people, innocent of otherwise." Bad writing in a nutshell. I am not even against Luke becoming a cynical old man after the destruction of his school, but he should not act like one before it happened.

Go T and TLJ had some great visuals and some shocking scenes, but it is clear that neither product was trying to make any sense in the context of the universe they supposedly took place in.

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#20821: Oct 31st 2019 at 3:47:39 PM

Luke in RotJ: I refuse to kill a man who has been a ready and willing second in command to an evil, militaristic and genocidal empire for the past 20 years, because I feel there's still good in him.

Luke in TLJ: That easily malleable teenage boy has got some bad vibes in him, better kill him in his fucking sleep.

Mhmm.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#20822: Oct 31st 2019 at 3:49:12 PM

[up][up] TLJ is miles better than the last season of GOT. There is no question about it.

Luke Skywalker had some of the best scenes in TLJ and some of the best characterization.

[up] 1) You should really go to the TLJ thread with this and 2) that's not what happened. As he states in the movie itself, he instinctively activated his lightsaber, but he was never going to use it. You are taking Kylo Ren's version at face value.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2019 at 3:51:17 AM

doineedaname from Eastern US Since: Nov, 2010
#20823: Oct 31st 2019 at 3:52:54 PM

[up][up][up][up] One of the big flaws of the ST, it leaves people to make up their own explanations since it won't provide any. Or the next movie makes vague noise contradicting the last one. Or when it isn't tossed out to the EU to handle, like a recently announced comic dealing with what happened to Ben after he found Luke wanting to murder him in his sleep and the other students at Luke's school.

Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#20824: Oct 31st 2019 at 5:15:04 PM

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Well, this is your opinion. LTJ failed in so many similar ways to Go T, though at least the director of TLJ at least tried to make a good story. It also helps that there is still one film left to fix the worst of the mess, but I doubt it will salvage the trilogy.

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And they cut out one of the best, when he learned about Han's death.

Both Go T and SW worked so well because they had committed who often improved the scripts they were given. Sadly at a point this is simply no longer enough to save the film.

Edited by Zarastro on Oct 31st 2019 at 1:18:25 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#20825: Oct 31st 2019 at 8:35:36 PM

Once again, if you want to talk about TLJ, go to the TLJ thread. I've had plenty of conversations about the merits or lack thereof of TLJ in that thread.


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