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Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
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May 14th 2019 at 11:30:20 AM

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XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: Love potion #9
Witch
May 14th 2019 at 11:54:20 AM

First, they're not real.

Then why are you even discussing this show? Everything in fiction can be dismissed this way. If peasants and civilians in KL are not real, then neither is Jon, Daenerys, Sansa, Davos, Pod, Tyrion — no one.

They are real to me. Stories tend to have impact on people.

Edited by XFllo on May 14th 2019 at 11:54:42 AM

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The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
May 14th 2019 at 12:29:39 PM

Its just a story m8

The battle cry of poisonous discourse

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
JOZeldenrust from Arnhem, The Netherlands
May 14th 2019 at 1:57:56 PM

[up],[up][up],[up][up][up], It's OK for people to apply different standards for evaluating the morality of real action affecting real people in the real world, or for evaluating the artistic merits of depictions of actions affecting fictional characters.

If you're wondering: the guy in my avatar is Townes van Zandt, the greatest songwriter of all time.
May 14th 2019 at 2:28:09 PM

Nothing is real. There's nothing to get hurt about. Strawberry fields forever!

May 14th 2019 at 3:55:37 PM

I aways tought that the comet that hatch Dany's Eggs are some sort of punishing from the Seven for beheading Ned's Stark at the Sept,this is the whole point of the ending of the first book,we sad that the character we loved died, but we happy that the girl at the other side of the sea have Dragons and is open the possibility of some sort of justice,(I think everyone starts Clash of Kings disappointed) and we are happy without knowing how disgracefull all that will turned to be.

I don't know if the final episode will adress the comet and this will be one of book only left mysteries,but they remember the comet in the intro and this give me some hopes.

Edited by LoutishHelminthic on May 14th 2019 at 7:58:11 AM

May 14th 2019 at 4:19:08 PM

Well Kinvara will be happy to see her words validated. All those sinners purified beneath the flame.

HandsomeRob Return of the Gangsta Bear! from Moopet Theatre Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
May 14th 2019 at 4:27:04 PM

Bullshit he killed his favorite daughter and brutalized the other, and plan to personally killing everyone on earth for defying him before remaking the universe.

May 14th 2019 at 4:50:16 PM

If Daenerys kills Bran ? (So, Long Night starts, The End )Bran need some closure on the last episode, if He don't even appear I will be disappointed.

Edited by LoutishHelminthic on May 14th 2019 at 9:04:51 AM

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
May 14th 2019 at 5:48:18 PM

Why would he need to appear? The Night King is dead, his role is done.

Plus he's not even in the South, and the climax is going to take place at King's Landing.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
May 14th 2019 at 6:58:04 PM

Well, she listened to one adviser at least:

May 14th 2019 at 7:01:06 PM

And Kirnava declared she'll purge sinners of sin with Dragon Fire. Just as the Lord of Light desired

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'Til all are one
May 14th 2019 at 7:03:32 PM

Dany's just too used to solving all of her problems with fire. Her whole life, nearly every problem she's ever faced was solved with burnination.

Disgusted, but not surprised
InkDagger Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
May 14th 2019 at 7:21:25 PM

I want Bran to show up if just to justify a lot of bullshit at this point. I don't get Bran and haven't for awhile. I don't understand the purpose he serves and to what ends he is making his moves.

And if he doesn't, he was just making moves as the writers needed him to. "Need Jon to know his true parentage? Have Bran tell him! Why does Bran do so? I'dunno."

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
May 14th 2019 at 8:41:47 PM

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To be fair, most of the times she tried a different approach, it blew up in her face.

Now that I think of it, it's actually a noticeable difference to how A Dance with Dragons went - in the book Daenerys kept screwing up by not listening to her advisors and in the series most of the advice she gets results in her being screwed over.

Doesn't help that her advisors got stick with the moron stick for some reason.

"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
M84 'Til all are one from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
'Til all are one
May 14th 2019 at 8:49:43 PM

Basically, her whole life has conditioned her to believe that fire solves everything.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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Random Internet Person
May 14th 2019 at 9:00:13 PM

Finally got around to catching up on this show, figured I should do it before the finale airs.

Surprised they took out the Night King in the 3rd episode. While the battle itself was certainly a ride, in retrospect it does feel a bit weird that after so much buildup the White Walkers successfully took exactly one castle south of the Wall before the Night King was slain at Winterfell.

I suppose I previously suspected that Dany might not be on the right side of things in the end. For all her talk of ending tyranny, she never really did a lot to prove that she wasn't just another tyrant. Over in Slaver's Bay she was a liberator to those in chattel slavery, but in Westeros the lower classes have no practical reason to support her over any other monarch, they'll still be peasants who are expected to obey the nobles in positions of power over them.

...However "Burning King's Landing after the city had surrendered" was uhhhh...not what I had in mind for Dany not ending up on the right side of things in the end.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile
May 14th 2019 at 9:11:13 PM "Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
doineedaname from Eastern US
May 15th 2019 at 6:54:25 AM

Thinking about it a bit I think their biggest mistake was in keeping Cersei around. Things would work better IMO if Tommen, the Tyrells, and High Sparrow (Without having been subject to Ron the Death Eater) were Dany's opponents because she'd be fighting people who were actually beloved by the common folk and were reasonable people.

Have the Tyrells be stuck on a sinking ship because Margaery is pregnant with Tommen's heir but they're trying to scheme a way onto Dany's side. Dany however sees their destruction as necessary because they can't be trusted not to screw over other's for power. Also can have them join up to fight the White Walkers for real due to the Wight Hunt and they try to use that as deserving of mercy from Dany and maybe even try to convince Dany to marry Loras to bring a peaceful resolution between them. Which she refuses because of her feelings for Jon and desire to tie the North to her. Meanwhile this gives Jaime a good reason to go back and not throw out his character development because Tommen is still his son and he cannot abandon him no matter what.

Meanwhile the High Sparrow no matter what won't be convinced to change sides because he does not approve of the Targaryen incest and sees Dany as an abomination which turn the people against Dany. With advising Dany against burning down the city being changed to Tyrion and Varys pushing her not to because of all the Wildfire Aerys left making using dragonfire on King's Landing extremely risky.

XFllo Witch from Where foxes bid people good night... Relationship Status: Love potion #9
Witch
May 15th 2019 at 9:44:36 AM

Now for something completely different...

I have a question about this entry on recap from "The Last of the Starks" (as Adaptation Deviation)

Gendry claims to have had the surname Rivers before Daenerys legitimized him. Bastard surnames require their noble parent to acknowledge them as their issue, and are tied to the bastard's place of upbringing or the one associated with their noble parent. Bastards with no known noble parent are considered mere peasants and have no surnames. King Robert was never aware of Gendry, never mind acknowledged him, and Gendry was born and raised in King's Landing, where nobles' bastards are given the surname Waters, while Baratheon bastards are usually surnamed Storm for the Stormlands. There's no known tie that would see him surnamed Rivers, which is the bastard surname of the Riverlands. From the books... Gendry is knighted by the Brotherhood Without Banners and is formally named Ser Gendry of the Hollow Hill the place where he was knighted, which happens to be in the Riverlands Gendry is never surrendered to Melisandre in the books, as the bastard who is in Stannis's power is the young Edric Storm, who is the highest-born bastard of Robert Baratheon. Up until A Dance With Dragons, Gendry remains with the Brotherhood, completely unaware of his royal origin. It's possible that the show might be referencing this aspect of him.

This is what I've assumed from the show: Pyp was only Pyp, Grenn was only Grenn, but Jon, the bastard of Winterfell, was Jon Snow.

But I actually vaguely remember from the History & Lore videos that all bastards get one of these surnames, no matter whether their father is a noble or if they are born and raised in Flea Bottom... Am I mis-remembering it? I've just watched one video about bastards in the 'verse (the one narrated by Elaria Sand) and nothing of this is mentioned.

May 15th 2019 at 9:48:12 AM

Storm is a bastard's surname in Westeros? I want a fanfic about a Johnny and Susan Storm!

doineedaname from Eastern US
May 15th 2019 at 9:51:05 AM

Its specifically for Stormlands bastards not just Baratheons.

May 15th 2019 at 10:00:38 AM

[up][up][up] Only highborn bastards (so at least one parent has to be a noble, usually the father) are given the surname, since smallfolk don't even have surnames. It's why Gendry is only ever known as Gendry prior to being acknowledged as a bastard of Robert.

Edited by ITNW1989 on May 15th 2019 at 10:01:09 AM

DrunkenNordmann from Exile
May 15th 2019 at 10:01:50 AM

Also the name is derived from where the bastard is born, not where their noble parent is from.

Edric Storm from the books was a Baratheon bastard from the Stormlands, while Mya Stone (another of Robert's bastards) was born in the Vale.

Though it's somewhat inconsistent, as Jon Snow is named after the region Ned Stark's from, the North.

Ned probably didn't want to encourage anyone to actually try investigating whatever region he'd claim he sired Jon in and unravel the whole cover story.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on May 15th 2019 at 7:03:41 PM

"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."

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