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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#201: Nov 4th 2011 at 4:16:41 PM

[up] I find that the big, arc-heavy shows like DS9 and TP aren't fit for recaps. At least not in Chuck's non-linear pattern. I mean, I know what happens in both shows, and it still didn't engage. It's a lot of "this is going to pay off later," or "we'll be seeing more of those space mines later".

I'm a skeptical squirrel
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#202: Nov 4th 2011 at 5:34:25 PM

He doesn't confirm if he will or will not do a review. One can hope he will. Eitherway, even if he doesn't do it, the donation was well spent.

DeathCloud Since: Apr, 2009
#203: Nov 5th 2011 at 3:51:10 AM

[up][up]I don't have any problem with big arc shows. I even watched reviews of B5 eps before I started to watch this show and I liked those reviews.

Also he put together reviews of related things like episodes from one story arc (now he doing reeviews of first arc of Dominion War) or have same theme , characters (like Q episodes).

edited 5th Nov '11 3:54:56 AM by DeathCloud

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#204: Nov 5th 2011 at 9:13:56 AM

Newest Review (A Time To Stand)is out. Sisko is still awesome.

Admiral: "You're no longer in command of the Defiant."

Sisko: "I am going to turn around and when I turn back we will both pretend you didn't just say something that would make me punch you in the throat."

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#205: Nov 5th 2011 at 11:34:51 AM

"They've been reassigned to Starbase Such-And-So..."

I'm a skeptical squirrel
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#206: Nov 6th 2011 at 1:13:07 PM

The dominion occupation of DS 9 is probably one of the best arcs in trek. Next to the last season. The entire last season was just...win.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#207: Nov 6th 2011 at 2:38:17 PM

If DS 9 hadn't been syndicated I wonder if they could have gotten away with splitting the cast for six straight episodes. Bit of a ballsy movie for a show based around these characters interacting.

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Actual Wrestling Legend
#208: Nov 6th 2011 at 5:06:28 PM

[up] Maybe it placated those fans who were into TNG, but on-the-fence with regard to DS9's lack of Star Trekkin'.

That's still, like, the chief complaint. Not the moral relativism, the homicidal Vulcans, Quark with a cone bra...

I'm a skeptical squirrel
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#209: Nov 8th 2011 at 11:58:37 AM

Not enough planet-of-the-week stuff? Really? That was the main complaint? I loved DS 9 being more arc based.

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johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#210: Nov 8th 2011 at 2:00:49 PM

Oh sure. No space travel, no sweeping action theme music at the start... it 'doesn't feel like Trek.' Which I can understand. Maybe if they had just dropped the "Star Trek" in the title, so people would be reminded that its supposed to be a spin-off? Unlike VOY, it was not an heir to the flagship show.

So, "Duet", eh?

I know I'm alone in this — but I always disliked the twist. Partly because Harris Yulin (in his best role ever) was 100 percent frightening as Darheel. I felt cheated that it was all a dumb act which makes no sense. The Cardassians need only beam up some DNA from the dead Darheel on their planet to prove he's dead. Well, unless the Bajroans are so bugfuck paranoid that they refuse to believe them.

But anyway, like any good reviewer, Chuck sort of changed my mind about the episode.

edited 8th Nov '11 7:30:10 PM by johnnyfog

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#211: Nov 8th 2011 at 6:03:48 PM

Chuck's line in the latest review about Cardassians being victims of their own government and growing to be monsters or broken husks echos something Picard says in "Chains of Commands", about how the Gul torturing him was bullied, and now grew up to be the one doing the bullying, and he's grooming his daughter to do the same.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#212: Nov 8th 2011 at 7:27:55 PM

Also, wtf does he mean by "20$ Bill" award?

johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#213: Nov 8th 2011 at 7:31:02 PM

He means Andrew Jackson, who some view as infamous for his genocide of the native americans.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#214: Nov 8th 2011 at 8:37:53 PM

Ah. Not American, so wouldn't have guessed.

NateWinchester Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#215: Nov 13th 2011 at 6:38:14 AM

How do they even agree on what a metaphore means so it becomes standard amongst their species? What if half the crew decided "Picard and Dathon at El Adrel" means "overcoming linguistic barriers through cooperation", while the other half of the crew decides it means "One person bravely gives his life to give another a better understanding of his people"? How do they sort that out?

Probably the same way a lot of idioms and metaphors are shaped in the real world. Like the phrase "sour grapes" (and others I can't think of right now). There might have been multiple interpretations to that fable once upon a time, but one was more popular and continued to spread until the others were forgotten and only one remained. Now since we're all tropers I know it doesn't apply to us, but I've seen several times people using phrases that they didn't know the source for.

Plus it could also be a translation convention - the universal translator is picking up the language as a metaphor. I liked the episode because it's probably a pretty good example of what our contact with alien lifeforms will really be like (I fully expect for us to learn things about them that just don't seem possible to us).

I know I'm alone in this — but I always disliked the twist. Partly because Harris Yulin (in his best role ever) was 100 percent frightening as Darheel. I felt cheated that it was all a dumb act which makes no sense. The Cardassians need only beam up some DNA from the dead Darheel on their planet to prove he's dead. Well, unless the Bajroans are so bugfuck paranoid that they refuse to believe them.

1) Why would the Bajorans ask the Cardassians for anything? 2) Like Chuck said, he probably expected a Cardassian trial. Heck, he probably didn't even expect that, but what happened at the end (to be knifed in the back, to be lynched). The... irony? of it is that he was kind of right, the Bajorans were all set to kill him right away. I'm guessing he changed his appearance so even if they were hesitant to kill him, later discovery would encourage them to kill him off even faster. His plan was solid and would have worked if Sisko and Odo hadn't been there. As is often the case with Cardassians, it's a little scary how brilliant and rational it all was.

edited 13th Nov '11 6:38:39 AM by NateWinchester

Tyyrlym Jerk from Normandy SR-2 Since: Mar, 2011
Jerk
#216: Nov 14th 2011 at 7:37:47 AM

Probably the same way a lot of idioms and metaphors are shaped in the real world. Like the phrase "sour grapes" (and others I can't think of right now). There might have been multiple interpretations to that fable once upon a time, but one was more popular and continued to spread until the others were forgotten and only one remained. Now since we're all tropers I know it doesn't apply to us, but I've seen several times people using phrases that they didn't know the source for.
The problem being that you're dealing with a situation that makes a metaphor based language even more nonsensical as we can use regular langauge to clarify a point, with nothing but metaphors to work with how do you clarify anything? Again, layers of meaning are lost and cannot be recovered because there are a limited number of people who can observe and fully contextualize what is going on. With nothing but metaphors to work with you have to boil everything down to the base set of metaphors everyone starts with.

Plus it could also be a translation convention - the universal translator is picking up the language as a metaphor. I liked the episode because it's probably a pretty good example of what our contact with alien lifeforms will really be like (I fully expect for us to learn things about them that just don't seem possible to us).
Except that in the episode they explicitly state that the translator is translating what is spoken just fine, the problem is that it's all in metaphor. They flat out say, "Translator is fine, they just speak in metaphor."

As is often the case with Cardassians, it's a little scary how brilliant and rational it all was.
Big reason why the Cardies are my favorite Trek villians.

"Tyyr's a necessary evil. " Spirit
DeathCloud Since: Apr, 2009
#217: Nov 24th 2011 at 10:54:10 AM

Janeway as Lich.

I want to see that.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#218: Nov 24th 2011 at 8:49:58 PM

Watch Voyager then? How would it be different?

BigMadDraco Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#219: Nov 24th 2011 at 11:56:57 PM

I'd say it would involve more magic powers, but that would handily explain how the ship gets fixed each episode.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#220: Nov 28th 2011 at 7:18:55 AM

Chuck will now take request for Star Trek TAS and Star Gate SG 1

DeathCloud Since: Apr, 2009
#221: Nov 28th 2011 at 8:41:25 AM

Great. I whanted to see reviews of those shows.

And I'm more happy with new BSG review instead repost.

Tyyrlym Jerk from Normandy SR-2 Since: Mar, 2011
Jerk
#222: Nov 28th 2011 at 11:35:02 AM

Eh, he'll do the reviews if he someone sends him the DV Ds or the money to get them.

"Tyyr's a necessary evil. " Spirit
johnnyfog Actual Wrestling Legend from the Zocalo Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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#223: Nov 28th 2011 at 12:07:14 PM

SG-1 is kind of like the American Doctor Who. Do you agree?

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Tyyrlym Jerk from Normandy SR-2 Since: Mar, 2011
Jerk
#224: Nov 28th 2011 at 1:01:44 PM

In what way?

"Tyyr's a necessary evil. " Spirit
DeathCloud Since: Apr, 2009
#225: Nov 28th 2011 at 1:43:41 PM

[up][up]Only way I can see are Human Aliens (I hate that trope), including powerfull and dickish precursors , and fact that coutry of origin is that country what can beat Alien Invader (with help of other aliens).


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