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TommyR01D Since: Feb, 2015
#5226: Dec 25th 2018 at 9:25:12 AM

The review is up. No actual score given, but he compares it unfavorably to Nemesis of all things, so I think we could pencil in a provisional 0/10.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#5227: Dec 25th 2018 at 11:44:34 AM

That's a fair review, I would be curious about the score though.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5228: Dec 25th 2018 at 12:59:24 PM

I liked the review in that Chuck went after the mechanical flaws in the narrative.

When old farts like me complain about Cumber-Khan, it's not about how this movies does anything to "Wrath of Khan", it's the fact that it's a rip-off.

Plus the film kept trying to keep it a "bugh seekrt" in true JJ Abrams style. Mr. "Audiences like to be surprised" and his "Mystery Box" formula failed this film because there were no surprises.

Beyond at least tried to keep up the suspense and provided some justification for the villain acting all crazy. It was still dull. Jaylah was nice, but really you could drop in any other stock Green-Skinned Space Babe from Trek or Star Wars and get the same result.

Sofia Boutella is MUCH better than the material she's been getting. I hope she gets some good scripts soon.

I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5229: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:49:33 PM

Ironically I recall his initial review made Nemesis sound like the worse movie, if I recall correctly.

But as he stated, his opinion greatly soured after the first impression.

Edited by Medigo03 on Dec 25th 2018 at 3:51:01 AM

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#5230: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:35:40 PM

For the record, the super ship is called the USS Vengeance. Which sounds way more like a name for a Star Destroyer.

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5231: Dec 26th 2018 at 3:21:11 PM

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The tragedy of the latest film was that the initial momentum of the Abrams Trek was long gone by the time it came out, and the problems of Into Darkness in combination with questionable marketing likely meant there was a decent portion of the Trek audience weren't interested in seeing it either.

Thus Beyond under performed, I think coming too late for moviegoers once excited for the Kelvinverse, and having too little appeal for fans unconvinced it would be any different from films they might have been lukewarm about to begin with

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#5232: Dec 27th 2018 at 12:18:14 AM

Into Darkness remains my favorite of the films.

Ultimately, Beyond is my least favorite as it sweeps the other films under the rug. No Louise Marcus, no Khan, no fallout from the timeline changes, no Vulcan acknowledgement (except for poor Ambassador Spock), and no Klingons.

I loved the Kelvinverse and it made it clear they didn't care about its continuity or story.

So I have 0% interest in seeing another film.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#5233: Dec 27th 2018 at 2:11:21 AM

The only problem I have with the review is he failed to go into exactly how much of a ripoff it actually was.

The plot is almost a wholesale ripoff of the novel 'Dreadnought', in which an admiral builds a dreadnought to combat the Klingons and intent on using it to soft Coup the Federation too if needed. However it gets stolen and the Enterprise gets involved with recapturing the dread and ends up fighting the Admiral and several ships loyal to the Admiral with the people who stole the ship.

The big climax of the book actually banks completely on Kirk being a smart captain instead of an action hero. The fallout from the book was the Beta canon reason for why Kirk got promoted to admiral, all the officers that were supporting the coup were arrested and Starfleet was massively short handed leading up to TMP.

It pretty much was everything the movie wishes it could be.

Edited by Memers on Dec 27th 2018 at 2:14:30 AM

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#5234: Dec 27th 2018 at 4:43:03 AM

Is anyone else having server issues accessing SF's website? I cannot get on right now.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5235: Dec 27th 2018 at 7:29:09 PM

[up]Seems to be resolved.

A lot of people don't know this, but Cars is a ripoff of Doc Hollywood.

But Pixar did manage to make a film I wanted to watch. Even if they have gotten away with a blatant rip-off and a movie that Tastes Like Diabetes.

The ripoff thing with Into Darkness didn't bother me so much as it being a re-tread and Roberto Orci's drinking the truther kool-adie.

That Orci et al. may have ripped off a Star Trek book doesn't surprise me. Look at his work on the "Bayformers" film series.

Edited by TairaMai on Dec 27th 2018 at 10:30:37 PM

I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
Eldritcho Since: Nov, 2016
#5237: Jan 1st 2019 at 9:01:28 PM

I thought it was common knowledge that Cars wasn't original?

TommyR01D Since: Feb, 2015
#5238: Jan 14th 2019 at 8:19:03 AM

https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/c115.php

The first season of DIS wraps up. Chuck conveys a sense of mild disappointment with the outcome.

FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5239: Feb 15th 2019 at 9:28:55 AM

Full moon Returns for Valentines Day

Its end of the third section of the series!

This is an outrage against Luminara!
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#5240: Mar 23rd 2019 at 10:30:46 PM

SF Debris did an excellent Babylon 5 three-fer.

True story - among the B5 fandom, "Green! Purple!" was Memetic Mutation after "A Geometry of Shadows"

Well, on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 there was this one fan who posted about his friend with the last name of "Green" that was on his campus B5 fan club.

His roommate was tagged with the nickname "Purple" - due to being his roomie and the Like an Old Married Couple arguments they had. "Purple" hadn't seen B5 and wondered what the hell this was about.

Oh, he was called "Purple" for months until his roommate showed him B5 (starting with "A Geometry of Shadows"). "Purple" had a good laugh and was hooked.

Edited by TairaMai on Apr 7th 2019 at 11:49:51 PM

I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
FrozenWolf2 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#5241: Mar 27th 2019 at 7:15:15 AM

When you make Mash reference in events like these

Suicide is Painless is always in play

This is an outrage against Luminara!
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#5242: Mar 27th 2019 at 11:15:53 AM

I knew that song had lyrics and I knew that they were really grim, but I never actually heard the non-instrumental version until now.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#5243: Apr 12th 2019 at 10:20:40 AM

He is finally doing Code GeAss

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 12th 2019 at 1:20:55 PM

Just Makima.
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#5244: Apr 12th 2019 at 12:11:47 PM

It always amazes me how well done the first two episodes are, only for the show to immediately descend into a (still very enjoyable imo) trainwreck.

Medigo03 Since: Sep, 2013
#5245: Apr 12th 2019 at 2:23:57 PM

The show was still good for most of season1.

(most hilarious mistimed phrasing ever notwithstanding)

But season2 didnt do it any favors.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5246: Apr 13th 2019 at 8:58:21 PM

The voyager review of Mortal Coil is scraping the bottom of the barrel - there really isn't enough Voyager to review anymore. From the high of Scorpion to the crap that was Threshold - stick a fork in it, Voyager is done.

I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
lrrose Since: Jul, 2009
#5247: Apr 13th 2019 at 9:40:03 PM

He still hasn’t reviewed the one where Harry learns that he is The Chosen One to a planet of succubi.

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#5249: Apr 14th 2019 at 2:47:01 PM

So, there's one more for the counter of "number of times Harry's been in bizarre sexual situations".

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Eldritcho Since: Nov, 2016
#5250: Apr 15th 2019 at 9:18:18 PM

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Actually, due to the premise and themes present, there's a whole lot that could be said about Mortal Coil; Chuck just doesn't want to because he hates Neelix so much, so the review is made up predominantly of him teasing that there's lots for him to talk about but stopping short to say "Nope, it's Neelix, so it I won't."

Felt like a bit of a cop-out, to be honest.


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