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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#7101: Jun 29th 2023 at 12:12:13 AM

Since Fan Disservice was brought up earlier, I'd like to discuss Eliza for a bit.

She exemplifies it better than any other character. If you just look at her artwork and still images of her, she seems like a typical sexy female character. But when you actually see her in gameplay, it becomes very clear that it's only skin deep.

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coruscatingInquisitor circumlocutory square Since: Dec, 2013
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#7102: Jun 29th 2023 at 2:19:42 AM

Yeah, Eliza's brand of disservice is interesting like that. She looks like a typical sexy character specifically because she's got extensive control over the blood(?) that comprises the part of her body that isn't Sekhmet, and looks the way she does because she wills it. In terms of composition she's effectively a pile of sapient bloody goop with a(n equally-sapient) skeleton.

She's also interesting for the amount of lore tied to her existence. She's the only Theon (aka 'Parasite') shown who's been bonded with a human long enough that they're no longer discrete individuals, and Samson and Leviathan lay pretty much the entirety of modern human suspicion of Theons at her feet based on her 'Crimson Scourge' actions. Then there's whatever she did to Aeon and Venus...

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#7103: Jun 29th 2023 at 2:30:49 AM

What's interesting is that by the time of the game she seems to have grown bored with villainy, having settled for being a singer at a club. At least until the Medicis recruit her to do their dirty work, rekindling old ambitions...

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#7104: Jun 29th 2023 at 3:57:56 AM

A thing that always interests me about cases like this. All the detractors of the change always say "nobody was offended" and usually try to frame it as developers bowing to outside pressure. It's never "the creators are uncomfortable with somethign they did before and want to change it." The detractors never accept that the creators have right to have an opinion on their own IP.

Like, I honestly thought when I first heard about the backlash that they changed something a lot more serious, but instead it's "we don't want this group of characters to be associated with real life genociders who still have believers killing people in the modern era", "we don't want to show panty shots of an underage character" and "we don't feel comfortable in making light of real world racial violence."

coruscatingInquisitor circumlocutory square Since: Dec, 2013
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#7105: Jun 29th 2023 at 5:39:32 AM

[up] Generally agreed, yeah. Artists are allowed to change their minds about things. (Personally I wouldn't describe the depiction of what happened to Big Band backstorywise as "making light" of police brutality, but I can easily understand the discomfort.)

The typical sentiment of this kind of backlash does have a general habit of insisting that these decisions can't be a matter of creators exercising their agency, though I've definitely seen the non-agency-denying version of the take.

It isn't any less uninspired; it's basically just "zomg so anger skulgirfs wemt woke"

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Grounder Main Character Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
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#7106: Jun 29th 2023 at 5:58:25 AM

The way I see it is that if they were trying to attract new players with this, they failed.

If they were trying to appeal to investors, not only were they not interested in the first place, but the backlash likely sliced the chances of it happening in half.

If it was well and truly motivated by regret over past decisions, they shot themselves in the foot with the negative attention the game is getting now.

Doing nothing at all would simply have been both the easiest and safest option for them.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#7107: Jun 29th 2023 at 6:14:18 AM

The best option would have been to simply make a new version of the art book and such and delist the old one.

Edited by Memers on Jun 29th 2023 at 6:14:33 AM

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#7108: Jun 29th 2023 at 6:22:01 AM

That would imply that they still felt the need to change and/or remove things in the game.

It wouldn't be as big of a backlash, but it'd still be pretty bad.

KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7109: Jun 29th 2023 at 9:19:24 AM

@coruscatingInquisitor There is a problem that Alex Ahad left Lab Zero Games many years ago and isn't involved with Future Club Dev, so the detractors will say the current devs are "ruining his legacy".

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#7110: Jun 29th 2023 at 12:56:31 PM

[up][up][up]I disagree. The backlash is ultimately a nothing burger and most of the people complaining about it never touched skullgirls to begin with. People will bitch and moan and in three months nobody will care about it,

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#7111: Jun 29th 2023 at 4:24:51 PM

Yeah. We’ve had this same song and dance multiple times now.

Details on the EVO tournament.

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#7112: Jun 30th 2023 at 9:26:04 AM

[up] Twitter now requires you to have an account to read tweets so you might want to post a different link instead.

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#7113: Jun 30th 2023 at 9:57:58 AM

Like I needed another reason to hate twitter.

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Impossum Really Needs to Get Some Sleep from the corner of a troubled mind Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#7114: Jun 30th 2023 at 11:06:57 AM

Man, talk about an overblown drama. Sure, on one hand, I get why people would be upset about the patch - censorship of a content that was established for years and alteration of something people payed for is not cool, and I definetely don't approve of it. On the other hand... the changes are so miniscule and non-essential, I find it hard to even care about it. Honestly, if they didn't say anything about it, most of those changes would've probably gone annoticed for a majority of people. Am I really supposed to cry over some removed armbands and barely tweaked illustrations? Should I really abandon and shun the game that I loved and followed for years because a certain girl's panties are now have different color? Because, apparently, that's what many of SG fans are doing now or, at least, are calling for.

I'm completely fine with Filia's changes, and everything else is so insignificant it barely matter. I'll say, the only real loss in all of this was the scene from Big Band's story, removal of wich actually affects the plot a little (and was done for a pretty stupid reason too). Oh, and the soviet announcer, since he was funny, but I can at least understand why would they want to remove that.

But now people are shitting all over SG and its devs/publisher and acting like it was some sort of great betrayal that ruined the game forever, even though nothing in the actual game has been changed at all. The amount of boneheaded and sometimes straight-up misinformed takes makes me think that many of those folks never even played the game itself and only hopped on the hate bandwagon just to complain and be validated for it. I dunno, it's hard for me to understand how this minor thing created such an outrage, it just looks very silly to me.

KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7115: Jun 30th 2023 at 12:01:49 PM

Those weren't the only changes, there were the removal of the Soviet Announcer Pack (likely due to being from Mike Z and the controversy 3 years ago and perhaps the current Ukraine situation) and removal/alterations to the digital art compendium. Whether or not there is justification, they were also backer goals people paid for and there was no compensation for the changes.

That being said, the most of the removed art isn't necessarily lost forever as you can go to the artists' profile and save a copy on your computer. Some of the edits were due to the Red Cross if you recall last year that it was announced Valentine's design would be changed.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#7116: Jun 30th 2023 at 12:08:22 PM

[up] Not only Backer goals. They charged $9.99 for it on Steam for non-backers then changed it through an unannounced update.

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#7117: Jun 30th 2023 at 4:47:41 PM

Were people upset over Valentine's crosses being changed from red to pink or was that a change people understood why it was done?

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#7118: Jun 30th 2023 at 5:17:52 PM

Nobody raised a stink about it last I checked. Nor did they when the crosses became...shurikens I think?

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Silentedge89 Since: Apr, 2012
#7119: Jun 30th 2023 at 5:49:32 PM

[up]x5 it wasn't due to the Red Cross, it was likely due to the red cross symbol being protected by the Geneva Convention.

J-Don-Bonne My other self from In my dreams Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Made of Love
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#7120: Jul 1st 2023 at 12:06:33 AM

[up][up][up] See, now THAT, I can understand the anger over. They could've gotten a soundalike or just a whole different person but still kept it since that in particular was moneyed. But overall, this whole thing just very meh. I'm more angry that people like me get our hype for EVO or Marie drowned out with "censor this?" jokes and "reverse it's".

I hope no one gets harassed or anything at AX this weekend over this.

KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7121: Jul 1st 2023 at 2:20:41 PM

Unlike last year, there is no Skullgirls booth at AX this year. As far as I know, they've been planning for EVO this year.

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J-Don-Bonne My other self from In my dreams Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Made of Love
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#7122: Jul 1st 2023 at 3:39:33 PM

[up] Yeah. I noticed. Kind of a bummer…

KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#7123: Jul 1st 2023 at 5:45:39 PM

Probably for the best, I rather not see people go to the booth just to protest the changes.

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ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#7124: Jul 1st 2023 at 5:48:07 PM

Nah, that wouldn't happen. People at AX actually play fighting games.

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coruscatingInquisitor circumlocutory square Since: Dec, 2013
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#7125: Jul 4th 2023 at 2:55:13 AM

Hmph, someone made a badly-written, badly-sourced They Changed It, Now It Sucks! entry to the game's YMMV page. Wiki vandalism, ho...

Does anybody know if there's credible (read: primary) source material out there to the claim that the devs previously promised not to make such revisions? If that's true then I would at least validly fault them for promise-breaking, though even then it's worth noting that 'Lab Zero' doesn't exist anymore, let alone control Skullgirls...

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