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WarioBarker Fiction Writer from The Time Vortex (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#1: Nov 23rd 2010 at 3:41:12 PM

I don't think this is right — a user named "Micah" has been moving examples of They Changed It, Now It Sucks!, Crowning Music Of Awesome, Hey Its That Guy/Voice, and Too Good to Last to a subpage for YMMV or Trivia.

I asked him why he was doing this, and he said that it was a forum consensus.

Problem is, some examples of "Sucks" are universally accepted to be a bad change (see Hot Potato, then find me one person who saw the overhaul to add celebrities and didn't think "the show has just killed itself") and I always saw "Hey!" as being related to You Might Remember Me from....

Does anybody agree? Disagree?

edited 23rd Nov '10 3:44:43 PM by WarioBarker

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#2: Nov 23rd 2010 at 3:43:00 PM

IT is a forum consensus (and admin decision). These are not tropes, they are Audience reactions, they do not belong on the main page.

Also read the banner at the top of most of those pages. It says not to put them on the main page of a work.

edited 23rd Nov '10 3:45:05 PM by Ghilz

WarioBarker Fiction Writer from The Time Vortex (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#3: Nov 23rd 2010 at 3:52:08 PM

... Ah. Sorry about that. Although I still respectfully disagree, I won't challenge the subject anymore.

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#4: Nov 23rd 2010 at 3:56:35 PM

What about character pages ? Is it okay to add them there ?

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#5: Nov 23rd 2010 at 3:58:15 PM

As a side note, in universe examples are considered something you can put on the page. If a character watches a movie and says it's So Bad Its Horrible, then you can put that example on the page.

And, no on the character pages part. Anything subjectively applied goes on YMMV.

edited 23rd Nov '10 3:59:05 PM by Deboss

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#6: Nov 23rd 2010 at 4:00:02 PM

[up][up] AFAIK Yes you can, though others might disagree (the banner does say they can go on subpages).

Also, most of the Crowning X Of Awesome pages have their own subpages, these also do not go in the main page.

edited 23rd Nov '10 4:00:29 PM by Ghilz

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#7: Nov 23rd 2010 at 5:17:24 PM

I've heard from a mod that subjective stuff should not be on the character pages.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#8: Nov 23rd 2010 at 6:31:54 PM

The character page is a subcomponent of the main page designed to break off the characterization tropes because they tend to ramp up the amount of stuff on the page.

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#9: Nov 24th 2010 at 6:47:15 AM

Correct. The subjective banner applies to all works articles and all essentially similar subpages such as Characters. If it's tagged subjective, it only belongs in YMMV, Just Bugs Me, one of the Awesome/Horrible/Funny/Tear Jerker/Fridge subpages, or a review.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#10: Nov 24th 2010 at 1:00:44 PM

I did mean to ask this somewhere, do things like Heel–Face Turn belong on the character sheet or the main page?

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#11: Nov 24th 2010 at 1:17:07 PM

Umm, wherever. If there is a Characters page, it obviously goes there, but we usually don't enforce removing character-specific tropes from the main article unless it's too big.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#12: Nov 24th 2010 at 1:19:13 PM

Nevermind, i cant read

edited 24th Nov '10 1:20:15 PM by Ghilz

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#13: Nov 24th 2010 at 1:53:27 PM

Well, it looks odd, because you have to spoiler the trope on the Character sheet, but if you put it on the main page you can spoiler just the name.

Charlies tropes:

Vs

Tropes that apply to Work Xtreem:

edited 24th Nov '10 1:54:08 PM by Deboss

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#14: Nov 24th 2010 at 7:27:01 PM

You don't have to spoiler tag tropes on character sheets. Unless you really want to.

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#15: Nov 25th 2010 at 5:19:53 AM

^ Or even spoiler tag at all, if you warn at the very top of the character sheet there will be spoilers.

That's my understanding, at least.

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#16: Dec 2nd 2010 at 7:53:22 PM

I keep thinking that this consensus was reached because I kept editing the page on Transformers Generation 1 to point out that it isn't some sort of literary masterpiece (as the page seemed to imply before) :P

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#17: Dec 3rd 2010 at 7:01:25 AM

[up] Around here, we tend to err toward expressing favorable opinions about works rather than negative ones. Why? Because we are a site devoted to fan appreciation of tropes and their use in works. I still don't understand why people devote so much energy to disliking things.

Even if a work is bad, or campy, it's possible to write up the entry in a way that allows the reader to enjoy it and find the gems. Take my entry for Condorman, for example, hardly Disney at its finest, but it's written from the point of view of someone who celebrates its badness rather than reviling it.

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