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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#9826: Apr 9th 2021 at 2:38:50 PM

Ohh, this is pretty dark. The Evageeks folks noticed what could've been foreshadowing that Bardiel was what was left of Asuka's clones who failed to meet NERV's expectations. There are visual hints, color scheme hints, even the fact that Asuka arrived to a bay with the same number as Bardiel's number in 2.0.

Asuka also apparently mentions in the movie that she considers it a miracle that Misato let her back on the team and adds that her DSS Choker's explosive power was dialed up as trust in her diminished. She didn't side with Misato over Gendo out of trust, she doesn't seem to have been given a choice at all and in the end, was used by both.

That's just so freaking sad.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#9827: Apr 9th 2021 at 2:42:28 PM

So Asuka is one of Kaworu’s kids! Congratulations Asuka! Your dad has just a shitty life as you!

Also unsurprisingly Evageeks badly translated the booklets term for the Book of Life.

What it does say is that The loops revolve around Shinji and Kaworu is the only one who remembers.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 9th 2021 at 2:42:49 AM

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#9828: Apr 9th 2021 at 2:47:55 PM

Asuka: "I hate you, Angel Dad!"

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#9829: Apr 9th 2021 at 2:55:00 PM

I wonder if that means they repurposed that unused scene from 2.0's storyboard of Asuka's "face" coming off and mocking her inside Unit 03's plug when Bardiel took it over. That odd close-up shot in the 4.0 trailers of her suddenly grinning unsettlingly with trippy, psychedelic stuff going on in the background reminds me of those sketches...

Oh, while I'm here. I remember back when 3.0 was first subbed I commented in a discussion here that I didn't think that the final confrontation would be Shinji and Gendo having a giant robot fight with each other because I thought that would be silly and a little too out there for the franchise, tonally. Well, eight years later there's certainly a lot of egg on my face!

Edited by ComicX6 on Apr 9th 2021 at 5:55:50 AM

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amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#9830: Apr 9th 2021 at 3:03:41 PM

Actually, you know how in 2.0 there's a grinning Rei face appearing for a split-second when Bardiel wakes up?

They took a closer look and it's not Rei at all.

Also, more pics of Asuka's backstory:

Edited by amitakartok on Apr 9th 2021 at 12:13:20 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#9831: Apr 9th 2021 at 3:31:13 PM

Bardiel also gets a line(Just one). Probably when Asuka borrows his power.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#9832: Apr 9th 2021 at 4:49:11 PM

Soooo...did literally anyone figure Asuka would be an artificial human?

Because I am still on "WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF" mode about this.

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#9833: Apr 9th 2021 at 4:56:18 PM

It sounds like that and maybe Kaworu's whole deal were the only new plot points that were actually planned out long-term for this tetralogy.

I just can't get over how hilariously ironic Asuka being a clone is in the context of the OG continuity.

After that bit came out I figured that would explain and contextualize Mari since she has a -nami name as well but it sounds like the movie decides to not make things easy on itself and goes for something weirder.

Edited by ComicX6 on Apr 9th 2021 at 7:59:27 AM

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#9834: Apr 11th 2021 at 12:02:34 PM

At least it is a good reminder that Rei is an Emotionless Girl not because of her Artificial Human origin but rather her crappy upbringing.

Edited by DS9guy on Apr 11th 2021 at 2:04:16 PM

TheAmazingBlachman Since: Dec, 2011
#9835: Apr 26th 2021 at 7:18:57 PM

I think her having an (intentionally) Damaged Soul also plays a role.

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#9836: Apr 27th 2021 at 9:09:48 AM

I feel like making Asuka an artificial human is an odd plot twist, it doesn't really add that much to her character and instead makes her having a similar personality to her OG counterpart sort of weird.

I will admit though, taking away her mother issues could be a way to justify her being Demoted to Extra from a narrative point of view, after all, one of the first parallels that Shinji had with Asuka was their shared problems with their parents.

Edited by raziel365 on Apr 27th 2021 at 9:14:52 AM

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#9837: Apr 27th 2021 at 9:31:07 AM

[up] If that's true, then whoever decided that should be thankful for now that they remain anonymous and thus safe from me cursing them to hell and back.

He also flat-out said that most of the stuff he threw into Eva was just shit he found interesting.
We've known that since nearly two decades ago. Unless he's specifically talking about Rebuild, in which case, one more reason for me to think less of his decisions when it comes to said movie series.

Moyoco also appears in the documentary and is apparently a spitting image of Mari, glasses included.
Odd, considering that according to one interview transcript that I've come across sometime ago, Anno had little to do with Mari's design or even creation, and the designer in question didn't mention Anno's wife at all when talking about how and why he designed Mari the way he did.

Also, Yuko Miyamura confirmed in the pamphlet interview that came with the movie that she was to treat Sohryu and Shikinami as separate characters. So Rebuild is definitely intended as it’s own continuity. Just one with NGE-like events in previous loops.
Fantastic. One less thing to wrack our heads theorizing about.

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LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#9838: Apr 28th 2021 at 3:34:13 AM

[up] Can't say I'm too surprised at how the end result turned out regarding all the twists and the like. Nor the resemblance Mari has to Anno's wife at the end.

The guy literally cannot write a single work without having to cram in some sort of thematic point and/or meta-textual commentary on his life and worldview. Regardless if it actually makes sense for both the actual plot and character progression. And 3.0 + 1.0 is just him going full on with it, no restrictions.

How wonderful.

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#9839: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:58:52 AM

It Is.

Makes me all the more excited for his Ultraman and Kamen Rider projects, really.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Apr 28th 2021 at 7:59:02 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#9840: Apr 28th 2021 at 5:29:15 AM

I was going to make a crack that now that 3.0 + 1.0 is done and over with, Anno will be all "never ask me for anything ever again" mode when it comes to Eva, but then I remembered something:

Why is it called "3.0 + 1.0" instead of "4.0"? Did anyone elaborate on that?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 28th 2021 at 5:29:55 AM

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#9841: Apr 28th 2021 at 10:43:44 AM

Not to my knowledge. It's probably symbolic of an end followed by a new beginning.


Also, in case someone wasn't keeping up, we now know where the Wunder came from: it was originally built as a final contingency measure to be a fully automated seed bank carrying samples of terrestrial life away from Earth, safely out of range of any Impact events, in case humanity goes extinct. WILLE stole it before it was completed and Misato had it repurposed into a battleship to stop Impact events with, but they still fulfill its original mission during the movie by launching the seed containment units into orbit prior to Operation Yamato.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#9842: Apr 28th 2021 at 1:19:30 PM

[up] So basically, Noah's Ark for space travel? Cool.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 28th 2021 at 1:19:40 AM

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#9843: Apr 28th 2021 at 3:33:30 PM

Does Anno only (very blatanly) insert his views and life in Evangelion? I don't think Gunbuster, Nadia, or Shin Godzilla were as dripping with his essence compared to Eva.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#9844: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:16:21 PM

[up]Possibly?

He's become pretty well known as "that Evangelion guy" the same way everyone knows Matt Groening as "that Simpsons guy" even though the latter has done stuff like (the much better) Futurama and Disenchantment, so Anno might as well use his best known contribution to vent out his everything.

Besides, at this point, isn't 3.0 + 1.0 basically him saying "that's all the EVA you're ever gonna get outta me, punks! Now let me do something else! GEEZ!"?

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Apr 28th 2021 at 4:19:25 AM

amitakartok Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#9845: Apr 28th 2021 at 4:31:52 PM

[up][up][up]That part in the trailers where Misato and Ritsuko are in a chamber with white containers lining the walls around them? That's the seed bank. And it was apparently Kaji's idea before he died stopping Third Impact, by which time WILLE either already had the Wunder or were in the process of stealing it, as the flashback scene with Misato and Ritsuko has the ship's antennas visible in the background.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#9847: May 14th 2021 at 6:35:29 PM

This is my favorite meme spawn by the last movie

Made funnier by knowing some of the later buts of ANIMA that were translated.

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Digitalhero93 Since: Jun, 2017
#9848: May 14th 2021 at 6:58:17 PM

I think one of the bits related to what you're talking about was removed with the current version.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#9849: May 14th 2021 at 7:03:02 PM

The implication that Shinji is his StEve when Adam cut out a part of himself that was the most human?

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Digitalhero93 Since: Jun, 2017
#9850: May 14th 2021 at 7:37:52 PM

For some clarification, I have only read what has been officially translated so far, which is four out of five volumes. Since only bits of volume five was translated, I have been avoiding those due to where I found them was not making much sense. From what I found, volume one has had the most changes. One of those changes being the bit where Kaworu tells Shinji in a dream that another version of Kaworu, implied to be Amaros, is about to wake up was removed. Volume four revealed that the pilot of Amaros is the version of Shinji that won the giant Eva free for all that happened in Africa. I think that the implication you mentioned might have been reduced or removed from that edit.

According to the post script for volume one, the original plan was for the author to make a outline, someone else writes it, and another person draws character illustrations. This plan seemed to only happen for volume one before the author started writing it himself. The character illustrations, which is where most of Anima's fan service seem to come from, is not included in the version that is being translated.

Edited by Digitalhero93 on May 14th 2021 at 7:38:47 AM


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