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HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Jul 19th 2019 at 10:49:33 AM

I look forward to seeing Shinji fail and make things even worse.

....by the way...what is this movie again?

A re-release of the third, or the final movie in the Reboot continuity? I haven't really been keeping track.

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TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jul 19th 2019 at 10:52:50 AM

[up] Final movie.

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HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Jul 19th 2019 at 10:54:46 AM

...oh.

So yeah. Time to fail again Shinji.

Evangelion, the anime I know so much about....but never watched past the first episode.

Do you know why?

Because it's massively depressing. That's why.

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Demongodofchaos2 Best Dad from Eldritch Nightmareland Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Best Dad
Jul 19th 2019 at 11:20:27 AM

Not that depressing compared to a lot of series that came after it, honestly.

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HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Jul 19th 2019 at 11:41:57 AM

Well, then maybe it's the fact that it beats down it's main character rather thoroughly...and the thing he does on top of Asuka in the original Eo E.

I'm pretty sure you all know what I'm talking about.

But the worst part is that it lets him start getting better in order to more effectively plunge in the knife. In the original series, he starts to gain some confidence, then everything goes to shit. In the new movies...well we also know what happens there.

It just feels cruel to be honest.

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amitakartok Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Jul 19th 2019 at 2:34:58 PM

He's getting better now. Last film left him off quite literally lying down and waiting to die; now, he's at least following Asuka without having to be forcefully pulled along.

HandsomeRob Completely trustworthy from The world that never was Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Completely trustworthy
Jul 19th 2019 at 2:37:30 PM

Yea, because we all know how understanding Asuka is?

I'm sure she'll do everything to make him not want to kill himself....which will probably destroy the world...as oppose to living, which will also probably destroy the world.

Ok, maybe I'm going overboard, but I've said before that Evangelion seems like the story of how Shinji ruins everything merely by existing, which is an incredibly unfair story.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere
Planeswalker
Jul 19th 2019 at 3:35:19 PM

I take Rebuild as more of a Take That, Audience! to the criticisms about how Shinji wasn't a determinator badass in the original series. 2.0 showed what would happen if instead of being unable to act out of horror and trauma Shinji tried to go above and beyond to save Rei.

It's not really Shinji's fault (especially in 3.0 where everyone made damn sure not to give Shinji any information he needed in order to make any semblance of a rational decision) except maybe for not listening to Kaworu when Kaworu wanted to wait and not pull the Lances because of how determined WILLE was to prevent him and Shinji from doing so. He's not one of the scientists with the benefit of understanding just what the hell might happen when an EVA does things it shouldn't be doing. He's an Unwitting Pawn to adults trying to outgambit each other.

Edited by PhiSat on Jul 19th 2019 at 4:36:38 AM

Oissu!
DarkHunter from New Mexico
Jul 19th 2019 at 4:30:49 PM

Can't wait for absolutely nothing that was in that trailer to actually be in Rebuild Final!grin

Still, it is cool that we are finally, finally getting some evidence that the movie will be released. It's only... 10+ years behind schedule.

amitakartok Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Jul 26th 2019 at 4:34:18 AM

In case anyone missed the teaser, the soundtrack is here.

Jul 26th 2019 at 5:54:24 AM

[up][up][up] I've always seen Anno's decision to frame saving Rei as the worst thing Shinji could've done in that situation to be incredibly mean-spirited, considering that he was basically rescuing someone who had zero self-worth and showing that she does indeed mean something to others, and that her life isn't expendable like she was told.

But apparently, that was all horse crap?

amitakartok Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Jul 26th 2019 at 6:39:18 AM

Anno has a habit of warping the plot to suit his own personal opinion.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Jul 26th 2019 at 6:49:24 AM

From what I'm getting, Anno is basically rehashing the message that he tried to get across in the original show, only in a much more heavy-handed and, as [up][up] said, mean-spirited manner. Like he has developed a simmering grudge against the Misaimed Fandom that the show had gained despite his (ultimately misguided) attempts to avoid exactly that.

Someone should get it into his thick skull that this is not how this kind of thing works.

Edited by MarqFJA on Jul 26th 2019 at 4:51:36 PM

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
TargetmasterJoe Much more than meets the eye! from The City, USA Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Much more than meets the eye!
Jul 26th 2019 at 7:17:12 AM

Someone should get it into his thick skull that this is not how this kind of thing works.

Ehhhhh, while it IS iffy to have the action of saving someone who had no sense of self-worth be interpreted as the worst thing ever, saying Anno has a "thick skull" might be a stretch.

I mean, the guy suffered from depression twice now. I'd feel dirty saying he has a thick skull.

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Jul 26th 2019 at 7:21:23 AM

I think its more the motivations of the one who are saving said person that is the worst, rather than the person themself being wrong to exist.

With how he treats Rei Q in 3 I see the point he was going for. But at the same time if you'r e a Rei fan this puts her in a situaion where her only fate is to die because the one saving her doesn't really care for her the way he should with the way he's acting, which won't sit with people.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 26th 2019 at 7:22:36 AM

Jul 26th 2019 at 7:23:53 AM

I'm almost starting to see a Franchise Original Sin regarding this series and Anno, to be honest.

Like, he's always had amazing and relevant themes and messages in his work, but even as far back as the original, he seemed to have trouble weaving them into the narrative in a way that wasn't Anvillicious or caused massive swerves regarding the plot and character development. Like, things would happen and/or characters would make decisions that were completely out of left-field and didn't exactly seem realistic, purely because they reflected the themes he was going for. I was willing to overlook this with the original show because he was going through a major bout of depression when he made it, and his writing was partly him working through his personal issues, so it was understandable. Plus, everything still managed to hold up well under scrutiny, as there was enough build-up and foreshadowing regarding the major moments.

But with 3.33, it's much harder to look past, given how much of it seems to contradict elements and potential plotlines and character arcs that the previous films had created, especially with how it seemed to treat the ending of 2.22, which has apparently gone from Shinji reaching out to Rei and affirming that she is worth saving and isn't expendable after all, into him choosing to shut himself off from reality, and that she really wasn't worth anything as a person after all. Not to mention leaving the audience completely in the dark regarding what happened to the world and characters in the 14 year timeskip, purely to make the audience feel like Shinji, which is a rather unnatural and sloppy way of getting the desired emotions out of the viewer in my eyes. As a result, the movie doesn't feel coherent or make much sense, which doesn't feel like an even trade.

Again, a lot of stuff seems to have happened completely out of no where because it reflects the themes and messages that Anno desperately wants the audience to hear, but it lacks to build up and foreshadowing that the original had. And it's also not as easy to look past given that he wasn't depressed when making it (heck, working on 3.33 only brought that back, making me question if this really was the best thing for Anno to do).

Jul 26th 2019 at 7:31:49 AM

I sure am not comfortable speculating whether a creator is "depressed enough" to make a movie about depression.

Jul 29th 2019 at 2:01:12 PM

I think End Of Evangelion set the record set the record for most logos shown before a movie, show, or video game, with a huge 9.

Anyone know if there's a movie/show/game that beats this record?

Anyone else know what the longest stinger is? (including video games). I know that Mighty No. 9 has the longest ending credits.

Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Aug 10th 2019 at 11:21:19 AM

I remember even less about the Rebuilds than I do the anime and I also only saw the first two Rebuild movies but ya know what?

Waifu vs. the World? Always choose Waifu. I'd play that Life is Strange game but I guess I already know what choice I'd make in the end.

Should be more stories like this. Consider it a social experiment. I bet anything many would choose the love of their life over the world.

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Aug 12th 2019 at 1:07:23 PM

I at least hope that someone slaps some sense into Asuka without the end of the world being the result.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
raziel365 Anka Aquila from Lima, Perú Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
Aug 12th 2019 at 4:50:04 PM

[up][up]

Funny that you mention that, but in Fate/Zero protagonist Kiritsugu is faced with the choice of the world or his family, he chooses the former with much grief beforehand.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Aug 13th 2019 at 12:15:36 PM

And only regrets that decision when it's revealed that the Holy Grail's corruption causes it to interpret his choice no differently from the other one — as in, it will always interpret the choice in a way that fulfilling it leads to total extinction of humanity. So Kiritsugu's solution is to simply destroy the Holy Grail (by forcing his Servant to do it with a magical geas — without explaining himself, much to her distress since he's basically denying her the chance to Set Right What Once Went Wrong for no reason other than apparent spite)... which dials down the disaster from "global''' to merely "local" (as in, "only" Fuyuki City is devastated by a massive wildfire).

Edited by MarqFJA on Aug 13th 2019 at 10:20:58 PM

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
Aug 13th 2019 at 1:58:50 PM

The Grail is a machine and can't think outside the box. So even then the normal Grail would have likeky thought up a similar scenario. The corrupted just kills more people overall, but his ideal would easily lead to a Lostbelt where people get routinely slaughtered because Kiritsugu can't into any idea that doesn't involve murder.

Aug 13th 2019 at 3:46:46 PM

Yeah the grail being corrupted isn't really relevant, the thematic heft of the scene comes from Kiritsugu's own ideals being turned on him.

Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Aug 13th 2019 at 5:16:05 PM

The corruption of the grail just ensured a no-win, worst case scenario for everyone involved.

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