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No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...

I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?


Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here.

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM

Silentedge89 Since: Apr, 2012
#41301: Feb 11th 2025 at 4:11:26 AM

She is more dangerous than those.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#41303: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:13:17 AM

Best Leadership stat in 10th, as far as I'm aware.

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Thief of Joy
#41304: Feb 11th 2025 at 10:59:38 AM

I think that's been patched out to a 6+ unfortunately, not entirely sure tho

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#41305: Feb 11th 2025 at 2:08:29 PM

So Eldar fans, how do you feel about the Ynnari plotline farting out?

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#41306: Feb 11th 2025 at 6:47:33 PM

Not really an Eldar fan, that'd be my 2nd ex-girlfriend who I'm still good friends w/ and keep in touch, but w/o the Ynnari I have no idea what else is interesting happening in the Eldar. As a guy who likes theorizing army builds, it's a shame that there's no easy and legal way to combine Craftworld and Dark Eldar units together if they truly are going to phase out the Ynnari as a playable faction.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#41307: Feb 11th 2025 at 7:02:44 PM

Between the Wraithbone retcon and the gutting of the Ynnari, 10th edition hasn't been good for the Aeldar.

Edited by M84 on Feb 11th 2025 at 11:03:47 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#41308: Feb 11th 2025 at 7:05:05 PM

Were all 3 Eldar factions OP in the last 3 editions or is it just someone in GW having a wraithbone to pick w/ the race?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#41309: Feb 11th 2025 at 7:09:28 PM

People have taken to blaming Gav Thorpe for this due to him openly admitting he doesn't like Aeldar.

But more likely it's Geedubs just not giving a fuck about any faction besides Astartes ones.

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KRider Desire Grand Prix Entry from Origin System Since: Feb, 2021
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#41310: Feb 11th 2025 at 7:11:00 PM

It's not surprising that Space Marines still get the lion's share of the support considering they are GW's main cash chow. Even the Leagues of Votann haven't been used that much for all the fuss of them coming back.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#41311: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:20:49 PM

Another reason may be that the Ynnari didn't bring much in the way of actual new models to sell either aside from Yvraine, the Visarch, and the Yncarne.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#41312: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:21:55 PM

[up][up] Yeah, the Chaos Space Marines are eating good this edition. New Emperor’s children and something for World Eaters.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#41313: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:31:56 PM

I would love an edition where they decide to go absolutely ham on alien factions. After all, a variety of aesthetics can be a draw for more players.

T'au with wacky auxiliaries! Codex: Ynnari! Tamed horrible gravity monsters for the Votann!

...Exodites.

I know it's not gonna happen, but wouldn't it be neat?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#41314: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:34:07 PM

Of course that also means creating new rules sets for said factions too. That's more work and balancing issues.

That said, this doesn't stop them from doing new stuff with Astartes all the time, does it.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#41315: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:37:00 PM

[up][up] On the topic of Xenos,

How are Orks and Necrons treated by GW? Those are the only Xenos races I actually like.

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#41316: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:38:57 PM

[up][up]Specifically Loyalist Space Marines. It's this edition where Assault Intercessors finally got jump packs after all.

[up]No idea about Orks but Necrons do get a new Lord variant w/ the melee-oriented Skorpekh Lord. Also no longer able to buy Codices since they're all apparently hardcover now instead of pdf files.

[up][up][up]Exodite Dino Riders will most likely get me to buy those models and learn how to paint. For Necrons, really wish there were official Flayer King models.

Edited by KRider on Feb 11th 2025 at 9:42:52 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#41317: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:43:52 PM

Yeah, if I’m going to invest in the Xenos, I’d probably go Necron since they are the only ones who are improved by retcons from GW.[lol]

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 12th 2025 at 1:44:18 AM

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#41318: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:47:00 PM

[up]Regarding Necrons, a friend and I joked that after the 5th ed retcon you'll know if a Necron Lord is still sentient and extravagant if it shows up having 5 arms and multiple legs. Then GW began selling Skorpekh Lords who're Multi-Melee Masters by virtue of having multiple arms for melee and multiple bladed feet for more melee. Then there's also the Necron Lord and Lychguard team who're a riff on Don Quixote and Sancho Panza.

Edited by KRider on Feb 11th 2025 at 9:47:29 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#41319: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:49:45 PM

[up]It's interesting how the retcons turned Necrons from being a race of soulless and emotionless robots to a race of (still) soulless and psychopathic robots. Necrons are either mentally shut down to keep from internally screaming forever or hyper focused on various obsessions to drown out said screaming.

It sucks to be a Necron.

Edited by M84 on Feb 12th 2025 at 1:50:14 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#41320: Feb 11th 2025 at 9:56:58 PM

[up][up] One of the reasons I love the Necrons are how the ones who are most focused on something like gathering things or extermination, are the ones most mentally put together because they have something to help them through the constant pain of existence.

Mad respect for that kind of hustle.

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#41321: Feb 11th 2025 at 10:10:27 PM

At least Necrons didn't wind up being Tomb Kings In Space as they have a wider variety of personality. On the flipside, Tomb Kings, especially those like Queen Khalida, are more likely to be somewhat friendly so long as you don't think of stealing their stuff.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#41322: Feb 11th 2025 at 10:14:29 PM

Yeah, this is what I mean when the retcons have made the Necrons better, besides enslaving the C’tan, their leaders actually get to have a personality. I’ve noticed in Dark Crusade, their lord doesn’t really speak or emote, so their convert has to rep them.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 12th 2025 at 2:26:38 AM

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#41323: Feb 11th 2025 at 10:34:30 PM

A bit late, but in fairness to GW it isn't as if the Xenos have been starving as of late:

  • Full Ork refresh including new Subarmy
  • New T'au Subarmy
  • Full Aeldari refresh
  • Major Tyranid refresh
  • Major Necron refresh
  • New army: Leagues of Votann

I really wish they slow down on the space marines, but this is really good for the past 5 or so years

Edited by Your-Edgy-Palette-Swap on Feb 11th 2025 at 6:35:03 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#41324: Feb 11th 2025 at 10:35:57 PM

Most people here only engage with the lore so any gameplay additions will not satisfy them.

I've heard talk that the Eldar are quite OP and fun on the tabletop in contrast to how many Ls they take writing wise.

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#41325: Feb 11th 2025 at 10:38:22 PM

None of those were gameplay-based

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