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No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...

I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?


Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here.

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM

Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#36801: Oct 2nd 2023 at 11:02:54 PM

Is there a place for Jump Pack Intercessors, or can they be folded under Intercessor Squads like the Assault Intercessors?

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#36802: Oct 2nd 2023 at 11:09:05 PM

Generally in support of merging Firstborn and Primaris together. I like the use of models from different chapters; the current pages are a touch Ultramarine-heavy.

A question: I notice most of the pictures with two contrast models position them vertically, and while that's definitely necessary for the broader models (e.g., Dreadnoughts) I wonder if the narrower images (e.g., Chaplains, Apothecaries) might not look better side by side.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#36803: Oct 3rd 2023 at 4:35:35 AM

[up][up] Good question...I feel like they could be put into the Close Support Squads folder if enough tropes can be put together for an entry.

[up] I can play around with rearranging some of the pics as I get time.

Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#36804: Oct 3rd 2023 at 8:48:27 AM

Also, are we categorizing them as "support" because they're not battleline?

Man, this is one place where I miss the old force organization slots.

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36805: Oct 3rd 2023 at 9:55:15 AM

Is there a place for Jump Pack Intercessors, or can they be folded under Intercessor Squads like the Assault Intercessors?

As they are (I think) pretty much Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs Close Support would be best.

Also, are we categorizing them as "support" because they're not battleline?

Close Support and Fire Support are the in-universe categories for those squads.

On the page itself, I don't know about splitting the Primaris & Firstborn vehicles. I think putting them together as Close Support, Transports, Armoured Vehicles and Super-Heavy Vehicles would be better.

Some nice new things for Necromunda, like an unregistered Psyker-for-hire, some techno-organic squids, and custom bits for the Ash Wastes. I really like the Mind-locked Wyrd, and along with the custom Van Saar head I'm getting ideas for an Imperial Guardsman regiment. Possibly a band stuck for long on an inhospitable planet, where they are gradually going native, with even their sanctioned psyker becoming more like a tribal shaman for them.

I really like the Wyrd as I love the movement of her hair and coat.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#36806: Oct 3rd 2023 at 10:09:28 AM

[up] For the time being, until we get actual trope examples for the vehicles that are missing from the page, I'm good to leave it as is. There's a lot of Primaris vehicles that aren't accounted for, but I haven't been in the game since 8th edition so I'm completely ignorant on their details other than that many of them are essentially upgrades of Firstborn vehicles.

Also, across all the character pages (and the "how to play" section on the work page), there are a TON of references to 8th edition rules that need to be updated.

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 3rd 2023 at 12:16:21 PM

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36807: Oct 3rd 2023 at 10:44:36 AM

[up]True, but calling the folders Close Support Vehicles, Transports Vehicles & Armoured Vehicle would indicate that that is where to put future Primaris vehicles if people trope them.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#36808: Oct 3rd 2023 at 5:59:22 PM

Okay, here's some of the two-model pics rearranged side-by-side...how do they look in comparison to the vertical ones?

I will be redoing the pic of the Company Champions as the transparency messed up the Firstborn's tabard...do y'all prefer the special edition of the Primaris Champion, or the one that's in the new Company Heroes kit?

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/championssidebyside.png https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/chapjudisidebyside.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/veteranssidebyside.png https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/white_on_white_side_by_side.png

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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#36809: Oct 5th 2023 at 11:09:45 AM

The penultimate 40-year retrospective takes a look at the Screamer Killer, and the development of early Tyranids in general. I quite like the old Hive Tyrant seen here, and I'd want to see it tweaked the same way as the Screamer Killer. The colour-scheme shown in the artwork looks interesting, especially on the Lictor.

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36810: Oct 7th 2023 at 5:37:51 AM

[up]While I have never been a fan of that Hive Tyrant model I do think it has quite a nice pose (unlike the Tyranid Warrior in that picture[lol]).

I had never thought of it before, but the old 2nd Edition Tyranid colours incorporates colours from the three main contemporary colour schemes (red, bone, and purple).

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#36811: Oct 7th 2023 at 8:39:57 AM

I really like that intense shade of red in the artwork, somewhere between blood and wine-red, which looks visceral and unnatural at the same time. The purple helps highlight their unnatural appearance, while the bone-white makes their heads resemble skulls. The green mouth-tentacles of the Lictor fits well with the coulour-scheme. All of it makes the Tyranids look more demonic than the usual Insectoid Aliens, so I would definitely want to paint current models the same way. Especially when some of these newest models are very similar to Nightstalkers, so they can be used as supernatural monsters too.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#36812: Oct 7th 2023 at 9:00:53 AM

Here's the Champions with the Primaris Champion from the new Company Heroes set:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/championssidebyside2_0.png

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 7th 2023 at 3:11:48 AM

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#36813: Oct 8th 2023 at 12:05:27 AM

Sorry, just gonna post this question here since I accidentally stumbled about and...

...is it true W 4 K fans got angry because the devs made a point about being anti-neo-Nazis?

Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#36814: Oct 8th 2023 at 1:27:47 AM

My understanding is that it was a loud subset of fans who were annoyed by the statement because they didn't want real-life politics intruding on their fun spaceman battles. There are no doubt fans who see the Imperium as aspirational, but I think that more of the community isn't thinking that seriously about the setting.

ECD Since: Nov, 2021
#36815: Oct 8th 2023 at 6:30:56 AM

[up][up]Hardly an expert, but based on other reactions I've seen, my guess is neo-Nazis are upset about being called out and a larger group of people are upset about being identified as affiliated with something which neo-Nazis are affiliated with.

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#36816: Oct 8th 2023 at 12:45:36 PM

I'm a little torn on the pictures for the Astartes pages. The vertical arrangements seem excessively tall, but the horizontal arrangements crush the individual models a bit too much. I'm not sure which I prefer.

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#36817: Oct 9th 2023 at 9:55:13 AM

Well, in the meantime, I've started an IP thread to discuss new pics for the First Founding Chapters page.

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#36818: Oct 12th 2023 at 6:53:08 PM

I've been poking around the 40k fanart subreddit, and I'm in love with this art of looted tanks and this before-and-after for Chaos Marines.

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#36819: Oct 12th 2023 at 7:16:16 PM

[up] Those are definitely cool.

So, question. Would the sections for the Craftworlds and Ork Klanz benefit from getting the same treatment as the First Founding Chapters page, in getting new pics with their symbols moved over the models? Some of the model pics in the entries for the Craftworlds are kinda fuzzy so I wanted to take a stab at fixing them anyway.

Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#36820: Oct 12th 2023 at 8:00:20 PM

The Craftworlds could stand having sharper images, that's true. I'd prioritize keeping a Wraithblade or Wraithguard for Iyanden but otherwise I've got no particular thoughts.

If you can find good model images for the Klanz then sure, I've never been able to reliably track down non-Goff stuff myself.

Edited by Theriocephalus on Oct 12th 2023 at 10:01:47 AM

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#36821: Oct 12th 2023 at 8:14:56 PM

Here's a couple of test cases for the Aeldari. I used the Craftworld symbols from Lexicanum instead of the ones from the 40K Wiki as they're taken from the Warhammer Community pages, but I can swap them for the other versions if desired.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bieltannew.png https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ulthwenew.png

As far as the Ork Klanz, the pics I currently have would be a mix of Boyz and Nobs, but I can get other options.

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 12th 2023 at 10:24:50 AM

SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36822: Oct 14th 2023 at 8:06:13 AM

I totally forgot there was a preview today because I was too engrossed in watching clips of vtubers make watermelons on youtube, but here is what was revealed:

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#36823: Oct 14th 2023 at 9:08:17 AM

The Imotekh kit is a little too straightforward of a remake of the resin model, but plastic beats Finecast any day so I'll take it.

The new Striking Scorpions are cool...I'll put together a couple of options to replace their pic on that page.

The new Skitarii model may be the goofiest thing GW's come up with in a loooooong time.

EDIT: Here's the two that were the cleanest to edit:

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/scorpy1.png https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/scorpy2.png

Edited by Willbyr on Oct 14th 2023 at 11:12:59 AM

Ookamikun This is going to be so much fun. (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
This is going to be so much fun.
#36824: Oct 14th 2023 at 9:44:29 AM

[up]x9 & [up]x10 Ah I see, I thought it was defending some group.

Edited by Ookamikun on Oct 15th 2023 at 12:44:57 AM

Mara999 International Man of Mystery from Grim Up North Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
International Man of Mystery
#36825: Oct 14th 2023 at 1:11:25 PM

I'm not really a Necron guy, but I do like the model for Imothek. As I mostly lean towards fantasy, I like best Necron models that resemble more typical undead or other supernatural creatures. Imothek looks like he'd make a great lich, with just a little green-stuff to hide the sci-fi bits.


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