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No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...

I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?


Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here.

Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM

Medinoc Chaotic Greedy from France Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Chaotic Greedy
#34201: Jan 25th 2021 at 6:14:50 AM

At least they seem to have learned some of the lessons from the Nemesis Dreadknight.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34202: Jan 25th 2021 at 11:40:05 AM

The first Dark Angels prieview

With their new codex supplement available for pre-order on Saturday, we’re taking a look at a smattering of the things you can expect from this wonderful tome of secrets. Whether it’s psychic powers, Stratagems, or shiny Relics, there’s definitely something to look forward to for every budding commander of the Unforgiven.

Interromancy

To aid their Interrogator-Chaplains in ripping secrets from the brains of their enemies, Librarians of the Dark Angels tap into their own mind-warping variety of psychic power to assault, distract, and befuddle. This means you’ll have a newly improved arsenal of psychic abilities to choose from when selecting your forces, so we’re going to give you a sneaky preview of a couple of our absolute favourites.

For many, powerful aura abilities are a cornerstone of their army and allow even the most mundane of troops to perform above and beyond their limits. Being able to shut down those abilities at will is a powerful tool for any Librarian looking to give their own forces a leg up over their opponent, and it’s especially deadly in the hands of Master Interromancer Ezekiel who casts it easier than anyone else.

While many Psykers are content to use their mind-altering powers to merely shake the morale of their opponents, the master mental manipulators of the Dark Angels are able to shape their enemies’ fears into far more debilitating forms.

Taking objectives and performing actions is important for many mission types. For those times when the enemy cannot be allowed to score crucial victory points, a Librarian can wipe a unit of their Objective Secured rule or even prevent them from taking actions entirely. Perfect for elbowing into an important objective at a critical time.

Relics of the Rock

Ancient relics of the Chapter are stored within the deep vaults of the Rock, available to the First Legion’s greatest champions in times of war. Those who are particularly fond of bludgeoning their enemies with heavy, blunt objects will be glad to know a Relic has been requisitioned just for them. The Mace of Redemption is particularly good for piling on the mortal wounds, especially if you have a Librarian on hand to help you re-roll wound rolls.

Even Ravenwing Talonmasters in their specialised Land Speeders might want to give something a cheeky poke once in a while, so it’s a good job the Heavenfall blade can be taken by them, even though this unit is classed as a vehicle. With plenty of Wounds on hand to soak up damage, equipping the Talonmaster with an upgraded power sword makes it a fearsome close combat Character indeed.

Stratagems of the First

The new codex supplement has 17 stratagems for the Dark Angels and their successors to use, making it a difficult proposition to choose just one or two to show you. Alas, as Master Interrogator-Chaplain Asmodai himself said, “There is no salvation without suffering”, so we present to you a carefully selected couple to tantalise your tactical minds.

Befitting their fame as stalwart (some would say stubborn) defenders and cool-headed combatants at close range, the Dark Angels have a duo of Stratagems ideally suited to confronting large mobs of enemy troops.

Line Unbreakable allows them to blunt the force of a massed assault, permitting only the front line of fighters to take a swing. For enemies that rely on numbers and sheer volume of attacks to wear down the Emperor’s finest, it’s sure to cause quite a pause.

Once the attack has been stymied, the old favourite Intractable returns to create much-needed space between the baying hordes of enemy monstrosities and the First Legion’s boltgun barrels.

But what if there’s nowhere to retreat to or your Marines are hotly contesting a vital objective and can’t afford to move? In the maelstrom of close-quarters combat, none are as adept at leveraging their firepower as the Dark Angels.

As one part of the new doctrine ability Sons of the Lion, Fire Discipline allows your units armed with Rapid Fire and Assault weapons to shoot even if they’re engaged in close combat, almost as if those weapons were pistols. With a veritable storm of fire ready to greet those that choose to engage them in a melee brawl, your foes will be forgiven for wanting to keep the Dark Angels at arm’s length.

That’s quite a lot already, and we’ve barely scratched the surface of the plethora of rules in the book. We’ll be digging deeper into the new codex supplement this week with a closer look at both the Ravenwing and Deathwing companies coming up. Make sure to keep an eye on warhammer-community.com and don’t forget to pre-order all of the Dark Angels goodies on Saturday.

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SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34203: Jan 26th 2021 at 1:12:49 AM

Double post for a couple of things.

1. Reading through the 9th Edition Core Book's background section, it seems that GW aren't using the term Imperium of Man any more. There are some Imperium of Mankind, but it is mostly just the Imperium. As such, should the descriptions on the various pages be altered to reflect this?

2. I have put a proposed rewrite of the description for the Literature.Imperial Guard series on my Sandbox and would like some opinions. I have also been looking around the wiki for tropes to make pages for some of the currently redlinked books there and I think there few with enough tropes (barely in some cases) to make pages for them.

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SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34204: Jan 28th 2021 at 11:07:05 AM

I didn't really want to make a triple post but here ware the previews for the Ravenwing & Deathwing.

Ravenwing

The 2nd Company of the Dark Angels, known as the Ravenwing, are masters of the art of rapid assault, tearing across the battlefields of the 41st Millennium astride their jet-black vehicles. Like a flash of lightning before a thunderstorm, they form the vanguard of the First Legion’s many battle plans, carrying out vital reconnaissance and securing key objectives before the enemy has time to react.

They wouldn’t be much good at their job without the ability to contest those objectives they so quickly approach, however. Thankfully, your bikers can now take advantage of the new 2nd Company rule.

Not only does this allow for a thematic detachment of bike specialists to accompany your main Dark Angels force, but it also paves the way for the return of classic Ravenwing armies featuring nothing but bikes, speeders, and aircraft.

While all initiates into the Ravenwing display preternatural skills with their bikes, the most valiant and dedicated survive to be inducted into the Inner Circle and join the ranks of the Black Knights. Only then are they entrusted with the truth of the 2nd Company’s secret mission: tracking and hunting the cursed Fallen.

We mentioned in our previous look at some of the Dark Angel’s new rules that Fire Discipline was only one part of the Sons of the Lion ability. That’s because the bikers and pilots of the Ravenwing aren’t about to be left out just because they refuse to walk. In a first for a Space Marine Chapter, their special bonus to the Combat Doctrines ability is split into three parts that take effect in different turns.

With Devastator Doctrine active in the first turn, your dark huntsmen will be rocketing across the battlefield to put that new-found Objective Secured to good use. Best of all, they won’t be prevented from shooting when they Advance, so get those nice shiny Onslaught Gatling Cannons on your Invader ATVs ready.

Finally, it wouldn’t be a new codex supplement without some fresh, shiny Stratagems for you to employ. If you made the incredible guess that the Ravenwing will have a way to move even faster, congratulations. The Librarius would like a word…

Fans of the classic Jink rule will be happy to know that it’s still alive and well among the 2nd Company’s forces, but if you can’t afford to Advance for that delicious 4+ invulnerable save it’s good to know High-Speed Focus has your back in a pinch. Trust the master movers of the Ravenwing to dodge enemy fire even when they’re standing still.

Will you be fielding a 2nd Company Detachment in your army? Is that giant box of bikes you’ve had stashed away for years finally going to see the glorious light of day again? Let us know on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram and, while you’re waiting for the codex supplement to release, have a go at putting your ideal Ravenwing army list together in Battle Forge.

Deathwing

First among their brothers, clad in bone-white ceramite, and wielding ancient relics of the Chapter, the stalwart veterans of the Deathwing are the speartip of the Dark Angels’ assaults in the most dangerous war zones. Almost uniquely among the Adeptus Astartes, so great are their resources that the entire 1st Company can be equipped with nigh impenetrable Terminator armour.

Much like the bike squads of their Ravenwing brothers that we covered yesterday, many different kinds of Terminator Squads in a 1st Company Detachment will be able to contest objectives just as well as your regular, squishier troops.

Unlike their 2nd Company comrades, however, the Deathwing also includes many Space Marines and Vehicles outside of the 1st Company. While before you were able to induct certain members of your army into the Inner Circle by paying command points, now it merely costs a handful of points to unlock all of those wonderful Deathwing benefits.

The massed use of Terminators is a hallmark of the Deathwing’s attack strategies. They plunge heavily armed and armoured veterans deep into the heart of the enemy’s command structure, often wiping out their leaders before the rank and file even know they’re under attack. This sudden, furious barrage is represented by the infamous Deathwing Assault Stratagem.

With a bonus to wound when arriving from Teleport Strike, their initial blistering assault is even more likely to bring down the toughest targets before they know what’s hit them. Vehicles, Monsters, and more will fall in front of you easier than ever.

Speaking of Stratagems, we’ve got one more to show you.

None embody the veiled nobility of the First Legion more than the Deathwing Knights, elite among the elite who strive to emulate the valiant knights of old Caliban. Carrying ancient relic maces and storm shields, they teleport into the thickest fighting to smash aside the strongest foes their Chapter might face, unflinching in their desire to display the martial excellence their Primarch was famed for.

Will you be fielding a 1st Company Detachment in your army? Plan out your ideal Deathwing force with Battle Forge and you could win the whole thing thanks to our ongoing competition. Let us know how many Terminators you think you could squeeze into 2,000 points on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.

Edited by SebastianGray on Jan 28th 2021 at 7:07:35 PM

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#34205: Jan 28th 2021 at 1:30:35 PM

Three in one, huh? DA are getting some love.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#34206: Jan 28th 2021 at 8:18:07 PM

I'm in a pretty good mood, not only did my friends and I finally get to do some more Rogue Trader yesterday, an order I placed finally arrived.

I've got a lot of work ahead of me.

These are so good!

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#34207: Jan 29th 2021 at 4:57:15 AM

I'd have a hell of a time telling which of the skull and coffin are a 1 or a 6 at a glance.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#34208: Jan 29th 2021 at 5:58:28 AM

The Ankh of the Triarch is the Six, the Skull is the One.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34209: Feb 1st 2021 at 11:59:04 AM

So if nobody objects, I will move Literature.Imperial Guard to Literature.Astra Militarum (as that is the official name used for the series these days) and swap the description for the one on my sandbox (I will remove the redlinks though) at some point in the next couple of days.

Edited by SebastianGray on Feb 1st 2021 at 7:59:31 PM

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Theriocephalus Amateur Veteran from gimme a map and a moment and I can tell you Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Amateur Veteran
#34210: Feb 1st 2021 at 1:48:23 PM

^If "Imperial Guard" was an official title used at some point, then it should be kept as a redirect.

MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#34211: Feb 1st 2021 at 5:33:39 PM

[up]

I concur. Lets keep the "common" names of the Human factions as redirects with the copyright resistant "high gothic" names.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34212: Feb 1st 2021 at 11:48:17 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that is the rule for when a Work changes its name.

[up]Its only for the name of the series of books. The text in the examples themselves should use the term that the Work uses, so Imperial Guard if it was released before the name change and Astra Militarum if it was after (although a [[note]] about how that was the name of the faction at the time would be appropriate) unless GW have edited them for rerelease but I don't think they do that any more.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#34213: Feb 2nd 2021 at 11:27:09 PM

Soooo... Alpharius novella.

Good Lord, even the summary and cliff notes in 40kLore made my head spin.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34214: Feb 3rd 2021 at 12:22:00 AM

[up]I haven't read the book but I have noticed people adding information from it to the Characters.Warhammer 40000 Chaos Primarchs page, which is annoying as they should be on the Characters.Horus Heresy Traitor Legions that is the whole reason the Horus Heresy pages exist.

Which brings me to something I have been meaning to ask: Should there be a note on both the Chaos Primarch and Imperial Founders pages that tropes that originate from, or directly reference, the Literature.Horus Heresy novels should be put on the pages for that series, not the main tabletop game?

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#34215: Feb 3rd 2021 at 9:21:50 AM

[up]

Won't comment on that, as that involves edits and that can get messy very quickly.

I will say though, the ONLY thing that the novella doesn't tick off on the "original" Alpharius origin checklist is Alpharius being triplets, and not twins, and that Guy Haley's belief that Guilliman is the third brother still hasn't dropped.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34216: Feb 8th 2021 at 11:45:18 AM

Short Prieview for the Drukhari

You may soon start to see your Drukhari arriving in sleek new packaging, ahead of their upcoming codex release, and with it comes a sneak peek at some of the rules you can expect to see in the near future.

Pouring from their Raider transports in search of slaves and plunder, Kabalites have always looked to close with their prey, and now they’re even more capable of swift and bloody close combat than before. A quick glance at their digested datasheet shows a crucial extra Attack in their profile, which if you ask us has been a long time coming for these agile and wickedly sharp raiders.

As well as the warriors themselves, the guns they carry are also seeing a few changes. Chief among them is the fearsome splinter cannon, which now deals 2 Damage, making it a powerful deterrent to any would-be defenders of Humanity.

The Drukhari codex may have been delayed in the webway, but will soon be descending on Mankind as the first xenos codex release of 2021. We know aeldari players of all stripes (and their Battle Sister opponents) will be eager to see how the denizens of Commorragh have changed, so make sure you stay tuned to Warhammer Community for more information as we get closer to the pre-order.

Heavy 3, Damage 2, Poisoned Weapon 4+ Splinter Cannons sound good to me.

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Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
Absolutely no relation to NLK
#34217: Feb 9th 2021 at 7:45:45 AM

Hey, it's a heavy bolter with extra steps!

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34218: Feb 9th 2021 at 10:27:14 AM

It's not clear to me - is the splinter cannon a heavy weapon you can include in squads, or their baseline infantry weapon?

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34219: Feb 9th 2021 at 10:34:16 AM

[up]Their main anti-infantry heavy weapon.

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34220: Feb 9th 2021 at 10:36:37 AM

Thanks. Good to see that they'll have a better shot at Space Marines.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34221: Feb 12th 2021 at 12:27:40 PM

A Necromunda sneak peak.

Flame throwers and Eviscerators? Looks like the Redemptionists are coming.

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theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world Since: Jul, 2009
That all you got?
#34222: Feb 12th 2021 at 2:02:46 PM

Cool fan animation of a Primaris being armed and armored.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
Hi
#34223: Feb 12th 2021 at 2:30:52 PM

[up] It's incredibly well done; the only thing I question about it is whether or not any Astartes below Lieutenant would get his own chamber for that, but that's a nitpick.

SebastianGray Since: Apr, 2011
#34224: Feb 16th 2021 at 6:56:10 AM

Cross posting this here but have a plan for how to handle the various GW franchises here I I would like opinions.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#34225: Feb 17th 2021 at 2:47:26 PM

...maybe? I kinda wanna see a sandbox of what you're thinking of before I can make up my mind.


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