Warhammer 40,000

As I have said before, Humans Are Bastards. The Emperor is the greatest human therefor the Emperor is the Greatest Bastard.

EDIT: That was an entertaining page topper.

Edited by SebastianGray on Sep 17th 2019 at 4:02:54 PM

The moment that best defines the Emperor is "The Last Church". Really, that one short story tells you everything you need to know about the Emperor.

As for why the Emperor committed xenocide throughout the Great Crusade...he was a bigot. He hated everything that wasn't human and any human who he thought sided with anything that wasn't human. A reasonable stance when it comes to Chaos, but not really anything else.

Edited by M84 on Sep 17th 2019 at 11:19:18 PM

Man, I thought humanity's bigotry had been born of necessity since every other xeno they came across were Always Chaotic Evil or something, and so they just eventually adopted a kill on sight policy over time, but humanity is bigoted because they've basically been brainwashed for over 10,000 years because the ONE GUY in charge was a bigot?

The Emperor is a giant fucking moron.

Note that the present day Imperium is actually somewhat more pragmatic on this front. Without their superhuman Emperor and the full might of the Age of Technology level Imperium, Humans engage in realpolitik instead of "KILL ON SIGHT" when it comes to aliens. Well, sometimes. The present day Imperium still hates the fuck out of aliens on general principle, but they recognize that they have bigger things to worry about.

Edited by M84 on Sep 17th 2019 at 11:32:59 PM

Yeah, 40k Imperium of Man being MORE TOLERANT ^note if only marginally so than a past version of itself is really something that makes you stop and think, huh.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Sep 17th 2019 at 4:34:28 PM

Granted, they are only more tolerant because they are no longer in a position where they can easily wipe out anything that isn't human in the Galaxy. If they could do it, they'd do it in a heartbeat.

And while the same could be said of say, the Aeldar, that doesn't really justify making genocide SOP.

Edited by M84 on Sep 17th 2019 at 11:40:13 PM

I believe I read somewhere that the first alien race that Humanity wiped out were the setting's version of The Greys and that happened when they first went out into the Galaxy so they weren't that tolerant even before the Emperor revealed himself.

The Age of Strife was when the xenocidal feelings really became baked into humanity. The Emperor swooped in to Make Humanity Great Again and blamed everything on heretics, aliens, and mutants. And while the heretic thing was fair (Chaos is always terrible), adopting xenocide and eugenics was not.

Abrupt change of topic - could you see an elite Sister of Battle (a Celestian, really) going into battle with a Storm Bolter (held two-handed, naturally) and an eviscerator (another two handed weapon)? She obviously could only use or hold one at the time, so the idea is that she'd magnetically clip one to her belt when using the other. Would it be appropriate for it to take some time to swap between the two? Is it a bit overkill?

I guess she could...but why? She'd probably prefer a more practical Sword and Gun setup.

Golden Is right: after the dark age of tech, mankind Was atack by xenos, demons, robot, and each other, the emperor decide to make the Imperium as response.

And dorku Is understanding what it happen: ABDDON itself Was mad with Horus by entretaing the notion of the interex, discussing(read:yelling each other) for weeks and pretty much calling him weak.

Because Horus rising Is pretty much ironic eco: the book.

It's important to note that humanity's experiences with xenos throughout its history were not all negative. But a good number of their experiences during the Age of Strife were — it was a very bad time for everyone. It's not like humans were the only victims of the warp storms and daemon attacks and general madness.

But those experiences did make it easier for the Emperor to scapegoat xenos.

Edited by M84 on Sep 17th 2019 at 11:58:44 PM

Mostly rule of cool, I need a close combat Big Guy in my Five-Man Band.

If you hear someone talk about how the Imperium's kill-on-sight policy on Xenos is just pragmatic realism, they're full of it. Honestly, I wish the whole "Imperium got attacked by Xenos in the DAOT" bit was never put into the lore, it just gives unironic apologists ammo for that claim.

That has never been in the background material. The Imperium didn't exist during the Dark Age of Technology.

They did come across a large number of xeno races that were preying on humans or had enslaved them. Plus any time you can wipe out an Ork empire is a service to the galaxy.

But yes, the Emperor is extremely self-righteous, at least until the Heresy appeared to Break the Haughty.

I don't think the Emperor was so much influenced by bigotry in the traditional sense of the term as he was informed by a human supremacist worldview. To his mind, the galaxy was humanity's birthright (manifest destiny, if you will), and any Xenos species would not only be an existential threat to humanity, but since they were either old, decaying empires like the Eldar or primitive screwheads like the orks, killing them and assuming control of their territory to provide economic space for humans (living space if you will) ultimately did the galaxy a favor.

The Emperor was a fascist through and through. He just knew how to throw parties and build states.

Edited by math792d on Sep 17th 2019 at 11:58:16 AM

See, I would consider supremacism to be a form of bigotry. Like, if you take a Venn diagram where one circle is labelled "White Supremacists" and the other is labelled "Racists", the first circle is entirely within the second.

Oh yeah, definitely. I'm probably just splitting hairs because I have slept maybe 40 hours total in the past ten days and words have ceased to mean things.

Edited by math792d on Sep 17th 2019 at 12:10:22 PM

[attempts to emanate Ethereal Caste pheromones but instead creates an inexplicable scent that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike pastry] Go get some sleep.

Also keep in mind that most origin stories place the Emperor as being born 10,000 years before Humanity achieved space flight. For him, the Crystal Spires and Togas of the Dark Age of Technology are the pride goeth he lived through on the way to watching Humanity's AI creations push it to the brink of extinction, then every remaining Xenos pact and alliance being repaid with treachery, then the warp storms plunging the galaxy into isolation and barbarism as the Eldar prepared their showstopper party trick.

It does not excuse his actions-what we see of him in the possibly apocryphal stories ahead of the Crusade paint him as the single most arrogant, stubborn, fanatical Tautological Templar and exemplar of conviction Humanity every produced. But what he went through over the course of 8-9,000 years informs many of his actions, and no human would have gone through the same and emerged remotely sane or reasonable. The Emperor was just notable in having the raw power, intellect, and technical proficiency to make his Galactic Conqueror ambitions something real, instead of deranged scribblings lost in some forgotten archive.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 17th 2019 at 6:10:58 AM

Oh, believe me, if I could I would. Unfortunately this is chemically induced insomnia, so I'm going to have to converse with a Magos Biologis in the morning to see if different chemicals can fix it.

Edited by math792d on Sep 17th 2019 at 12:11:58 PM

I've actually been wondering for a while: where's that thing about every alien race turning on humanity established? I'm not saying it's not in the lore, I just don't think I've read whatever book it's from and I'm curious to know the full context.

Pretty sure it is in the fluff bible. Will see if I can dig up the reference later.

EDIT: Not in the fluff bible I can find; I may have crossed some wires, because I DO remember there was a reference in Rogue Trader about Xenos betrayals along with opportunistic predation by Xenos like Orks. If that got scrubbed, and never updated, it would no longer be canon...too bad. It was one of the more interesting tidbits we got about the pre-Imperium days.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 17th 2019 at 6:55:27 AM

I Will said that the emperor Is a imperalist, not a facist as he seen to have an endgame that Is not eternal war.

For what it seen of the emperor, Is Solve Objective Is the protección of the human race at any cost, and after the age of Strife he decide that.

A) religión need to go

B) xenos need to go.

C) AI need to go.

What the failed to account Is that Is you need to be flexible,intead sweaping everything on Is terms.

The emperor Is pretty much a Objective based chararter.