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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#30426: Oct 4th 2019 at 6:00:09 AM

These last two pages are basically just this one line.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#30427: Oct 7th 2019 at 9:17:22 AM

Pointing out the illogical nature of stopping time.

I mean, while I'll grant that Pandora may have had a reason to say it, just what makes Ellen so sure that a time stop is actually impossible? I'll let Sarah slide on the "heard it from a presumed expert" reason, but Ellen kinda sounds like she's talking out of her ass.

Which makes it really funny that Justin gets called out for the same thing here, although I'm not entirely sure that "Nanase looks comically hypocritical" was supposed to be the joke here.

As for Nanase... well, Shive got to do what Shive loves.

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Daremo Misanthrope Supreme from Parts Unknown Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#30428: Oct 7th 2019 at 9:18:45 AM

Comic Party 71

Just according to- Wait, what?

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#30429: Oct 7th 2019 at 9:24:04 AM

I think Ellen is pointing out that the sheer scale of stopping time would make it impossible. The amount of magic that would take is astonishing, because when you stop time, it’s a feat on a universal scale.

Hell, to stop time, that would involve stopping the growth of the universe as well.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#30430: Oct 7th 2019 at 10:57:41 AM

I'm not really sure about that.

I'm not sure that it's not true, but I'm not sure that it is either. It depends on how the physics of time work. Forgive me for getting a bit Futurama "move the universe around the ship" here but.

Like.

When you freeze time.

Have you prevented the entire universe around you from moving forward in time?

Or have you simply ceased to move forward through time? If you consider time as a form of motion and the universe as constantly moving in one direction through it, then stopping time may simply be the act of you, the person stopping time, ceasing your own forward motion. You remain fixed in a single snapshot of the universe in time until you rejoin the forward momentum of the universe through time.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 7th 2019 at 12:00:05 PM

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#30431: Oct 7th 2019 at 11:04:18 AM

Basically, Ellen knows too little about how such things actually work to be able to make a proper conclusion as to whether or not a universal time stop is possible. Tedd might, but even then his investigation and experimentation has been pretty small scale so far (also, somewhat moot since he's not offering an opinion either way at the moment). Sarah also doesn't, but given that her information comes from someone who was multiple centuries old and had plenty of opportunity to learn the limits of magic, it's at least feasible that Sarah is basically trusting Pandora on the issue (mind you, as the event that led up to Pandora's reset showed, Pandora might still be wrong about that, as she was wrong about other things, but that's a separate issue).

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#30432: Oct 7th 2019 at 12:26:58 PM

...has it occurred to anyone that she might just be using hyperbole here?

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#30433: Oct 7th 2019 at 2:08:47 PM

How would she even have context for hyperbole?

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#30434: Oct 7th 2019 at 2:51:19 PM

...people were discussing something that seemed like stopping time, and then Elen, being an energetic, fun-loving teen in a party, overheard part of that and decided to join the conversation with a hyperbolic statement like "there no way anyone could really time stop the whole universe", thus effectively joining the convesation?

I'm not even the one putting emphasis there, the comic itself is, like she's saying it ironically instead of with any actual seriousness.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Oct 7th 2019 at 10:52:54 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#30435: Oct 7th 2019 at 6:42:58 PM

But if she could?

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#30436: Oct 7th 2019 at 6:51:27 PM

[up]What do you mean?

By the way, new NP: Susan's Cool Guide To Land Lordin'!

...gods, I cringed at writing that...

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Oct 7th 2019 at 10:52:28 AM

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Dunkies addict
#30437: Oct 8th 2019 at 11:11:58 PM

Party 72

...so I guess Tedd is trying to crack medieval incantation magic?

Heh, that makes me wonder if there'll ever be a magic timeline... the odds of Dan ever having a coherent one are roughly nil; those of him having one now are exactly nil.

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32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#30439: Oct 10th 2019 at 3:12:03 AM

New commentary, new NP, yadda yadda.

Honestly, the commentary on this one was so long I legit didn't even bother to read it.

poph Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#30440: Oct 10th 2019 at 3:45:03 PM

You didn't miss much. It's just him talking about Fable and how he didn't like NP Cs walking up to him. And some odd encounter with having his "attractiveness" to high.

I don't play Fable so I have no idea what's going on. I've just given up trying to follow the N Ps.

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#30441: Oct 11th 2019 at 7:46:44 AM

Yup, that's definitely the Grace we all know and some love.

Grace's reaction to the mention of "Buffy" makes sense and almost seems like a reaction to my previous "why would these kids reference that particular piece of pop culture?" issue - lest we forget, the show went off the air 16 years ago. Unless Grace was reading the comics on the sly (and for all that she seems to like her job, she doesn't seem all that interested in the wares at the Salty Cracker), she likely wouldn't know the series much if at all. That only one character would think to make that reference makes way more sense.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#30442: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:02:01 AM

[up]But it's also on Hulu.

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#30443: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:49:37 AM

I mean, there's lots of stuff on Hulu. It's no guarantee that any given character would watch it.

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#30445: Oct 12th 2019 at 8:34:20 AM

So apparently Susan's aversion to romance has absolutely nothing to do with being on the ace spectrum as has been speculated, and is entirely a facet of her germophobia.

...I don't know how to feel about that.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 12th 2019 at 9:34:36 AM

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#30446: Oct 12th 2019 at 9:12:31 AM

NP. May not be applicable for the canon character.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#30447: Oct 12th 2019 at 10:26:44 AM

Is that an actual thing with germaphobes?

FuzzyBoots from Outlying borough of Pittsburgh (there's a lot of Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
#30448: Oct 12th 2019 at 12:34:36 PM

I can't speak to germaphobes, but I've known people who can't stand the bodily fluids, messing to shower immediately after, and almost always using condoms to avoid the mess.

Daremo Misanthrope Supreme from Parts Unknown Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#30449: Oct 13th 2019 at 10:14:37 PM

Comic Party 74

Small problem.

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TheLovecraftian Since: Jul, 2017
#30450: Oct 13th 2019 at 10:31:09 PM

Y'know, I feel that I should be happy about this, since it's more of Classic Grace, but all that's actually achieving is showing how Shive's kinda lost the hand at writing Classic Grace, at least in my perspective.

Classic Grace felt to me like a good balancing act. She was intelligent but not particularly smart, and was constantly cheery and bubbly without being nosy about it, at least not by intention. Yeah, she was Shive's Perfect Little Creature, but she was also enjoyable enough to watch that it didn't matter much. I think that strip where she mops herself into a corner while Tedd's describing her as the most intelligent creature in the planet was the best example of this, especially as she then completely solved her problem by being distracted from it for a happy thing. She wanted people to be happy and tried to consider what that meant, even when she was failing horribly at it, like at Tedd's party.

Nowadays, though, Grace is just kinda... pushy. She still wants people to be happy, but now she mostly acts on what she thinks will make people happy by acting on what she knows will make herself happy, not giving a second thought to whether others share her view, or giving it so much thought it becomes annoying. And I get that it's part of her character development, she's becoming more assertive and coming to terms with the idea that she can't make everybody happy, but somewhere down the road of improving her character she seems to have lost what made her character work for me, because right now I look at what Shive seems to remember as Classic Grace and it's just kind of annoying me, while reading the old strips still doesn't. Hell, even more recently, when Grace was going through a more self-aware phase during the card game arc, she was still fun in several aspects, something that went away completely by the next time we saw her, because that next time was all about her completely disregarding people's privacy over her new obsession with not holding secrets, which just felt like a massive change for her, and not one that made things more fun in any way.

Maybe I'm just being a grump, I dunno. But it does feel to me like, in developing Grace, Shive missed the point of what made her a fun character and kept only the surface appearance of her being fun, which, sadly, isn't really much fun at all anymore.

Edited by TheLovecraftian on Oct 13th 2019 at 2:33:31 PM


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