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Is Anyone Else Traumatized by Suzumiya Haruhi?

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Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#226: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:30:23 AM

I think we have more threads of Haruhi than any other series.

I blame THX.

zeroplusalpha The World Is Mine from behind the 7th Door Since: Apr, 2009
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#227: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:40:43 AM

I remember him being around when I first joined, but I haven't seen him since those first few weeks.

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Smokie Since: Jan, 2001
#228: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:42:24 AM

He vanished, but I think he only made one thread.

Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#229: Jan 5th 2010 at 8:06:25 AM

He did the impossible and manage to leave. And it's not how many threads he made, but the fact that he managed to be in each one of them in order to remind everyone how much he hated the show  hint

. He also liked to rage about how overrated TTGL was (he liked it, but as a big Super Robot fan, he loathed the hype and the fanbase), about how Moe is the worst thing to happen in the history of anime, about how disgusted he was with the kind of society that produces those kind of shows and how figurines of girls in fetishistic outfits sell so well that Gainax produces more Yokos than Gurren Laganns.

I miss him.

Smokie Since: Jan, 2001
#230: Jan 5th 2010 at 8:09:40 AM

And for some reason he thought I was the Big Bad.

But maybe I am.

Sporkaganza I'm glasses. Since: May, 2009
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#231: Jan 5th 2010 at 8:09:49 AM

It sounds like he had a point.

edited 5th Jan '10 8:09:58 AM by Sporkaganza

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Noimporta Since: Jan, 2001
#232: Jan 5th 2010 at 8:11:34 AM

He wasn't a strawman at all, he liked to argue rationally and borderline civilly, it's just that he was filled with a lot of RAGE. He was much less aggressive than, say, AOD.

Sporkaganza I'm glasses. Since: May, 2009
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#233: Jan 5th 2010 at 8:15:51 AM

I know, but that was the trope I thought of. I knew it didn't fit quite right though.

Yeah, [AOD] is rude, but it's funny so that's okay. If he wasn't such a jerk all the time, then something would be wrong.

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Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#234: Jan 5th 2010 at 9:58:13 AM

I think that THX had a problem with the fanbase more than anything else. Oh, and constantly being told that the source material filled everything in when he argued that any anime should be based upon its own merits and what it covers, rather than the material it's based off of.

Him and Excel did bring up some good points, but each of them just eventually stopped posting here. I think I've seen Excel in the game forums, but I haven't seen THX in a while.

TheAdversary Since: Jan, 2001
#235: Jan 5th 2010 at 10:51:24 AM

He does have a point regarding the fanbases. It's a choose your poison kind of thing but I think TTGL's deserved slightly more of his hatred.

But going from "Fanboys are the suck" to this topic is a huge leap in the wrong direction.

Foxtrotpenguin Lord of All He Devours from The Writers Desk Since: Sep, 2009
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#236: Jan 5th 2010 at 11:14:27 AM

>Much more interesting is: Why is this discussion going on in a century old thread instead of, you know, the unofficial "everything Haruhi goes in here" thread?

Because this is the first thread ctrl-f found.

edited 5th Jan '10 11:24:48 AM by Foxtrotpenguin

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Shadowtext Trickster God from the noosphere Since: Jan, 2001
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#237: Jan 5th 2010 at 11:20:07 AM

Not really. Haruhi's a bit controversial, like anything else that gets too popular, so talking about it at all tends to eventually turn into a fight from the ardent supporters and the ardent detractors. This seems to mostly be talk about old fights rather than being a fight itself anyway.

PrimoVictoria Since: Dec, 1969
#238: Jan 5th 2010 at 12:30:46 PM

By the way (no, I haven't read whole topic) - Am I only one who belives that Haruhi is Deconstruction of some kind of Mary Sue, especially Black Hole Sue? There is something in it, I feel so.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#239: Jan 5th 2010 at 12:38:49 PM

Given that we have the series listed under Deconstructor Fleet, no, probably not.

Edit: Although apparently that trope is not Deconstruction? Huh. Well, I agree with you anyway.

edited 5th Jan '10 12:40:43 PM by Clarste

Sneeb super sugoi kawaii neko desuas from poo world (aka tvtropes) Since: Jan, 2001
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#240: Jan 5th 2010 at 12:44:49 PM

I miss THX and AOD. Someone who deliberately fights against the tide and gives criticism thoughtfully and willingly is to be respected.

I wish I could be more assertive like that sad

edited 5th Jan '10 12:45:04 PM by Sneeb

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Smokie Since: Jan, 2001
#241: Jan 5th 2010 at 12:48:26 PM

Well, she could be called a literal Black Hole Sue. Being "god" or something similar, of course the world is going to revolve around you. She draws all attention to herself. Characters don't act naturally around her (the Organization). The very laws of the universe bend to accommodate her (literally). And so on.

It only makes sense because she's that greater being. However, she's also an egocentrical jerkass and according to my interpretation of her, she is that way because she's a Black Hole Sue.

So yeah, you could make an argument for her being a deconstructed Black Hole Sue.

zeroplusalpha The World Is Mine from behind the 7th Door Since: Apr, 2009
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#242: Jan 5th 2010 at 5:54:11 PM

However, she's also an egocentrical jerkass and according to my interpretation of her, she is that way because she's a Black Hole Sue.

You'd be pretty spoilt too if the universe constantly went out of its way to make sure you get yours.

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Grahf Since: Jan, 2001
#243: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:21:44 PM

I always thought that she was just overcompensating for the fact that she rationally realizes that she's completely normal and not at all unique, so she actively defies the expectations of others in order differentiate herself from the group.

Of course, she doesn't know that she has all these powers, and if she did she'd either be massively pleased, or destroyed from the mental stress. Can't really see there being a middle ground on that one.

Shadowtext Trickster God from the noosphere Since: Jan, 2001
Trickster God
#244: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:27:30 PM

Grahf—your interpretation is supported by canon. Haruhi goes so far as to explain the moment she realized she was insignificant and decided that she would need to do something about it. And this was before the moment she became....whatever she is, as I recall.

I never thought Haruhi was a self-centered Jerkass because she was a Black Hole Sue. I thought she was self-centered Jerkass naturally, and the Black Hole Sue-dom just reinforced that behavior.

Which is part of why I think Kyon is such an important influence for her. He's the only person in her world—especially the SOS brigade part of it—who actually challenges her and makes her have to be the one to change, rather than making the world change for her. Whether consciously (through steamrollering them with her personality) or subconsciously (through her power). I haven't gotten far enough to know if my belief is justified, but I like to think that even subconsciously, she won't allow herself to change Kyon through her power.

Ronnie Respect the Red Right Hand from Surrounded by Idiots Since: Jan, 2001
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#245: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:31:00 PM

I'd say that's fairly canon- After all, Kyon was the one person from the "old" world she took into the closed space at the end of season 1/Melancholy.

Drakyndra Her with the hat from Somewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#246: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:35:46 PM

It starts out as just Kyon's influence - and I think it's still really at that point in the anime - but I kind of get the impression that as the other novels go on, the other SOS Brigade members start to drive her change, too. Less overtly, since they go along with what she wants rather than call her out like Kyon does, but I do get the impression she's less inclined to just use them later on.

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#247: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:49:18 PM

I never thought Haruhi was a self-centered Jerk Ass because she was a Black Hole Sue. I thought she was self-centered Jerk Ass naturally, and the Black Hole Sue-dom just reinforced that behavior.

Exactly. This is why I still find her sympathetic; it's like she's a spoiled little kid who never had a chance to go through char dev until she met Kyon because she gets what she wants even before she knows she wants it most of the time.

Also, did anyone else get the impression that after the ENOZ concert, she started to suspect the existence of her powers? 'Cause the expression on her face when they thanked her made me think she was thinking something along the lines of, "It was a coincidence. Why am I feeling so guilty? It was a passing thought: 'Hey, playing in a rock band sounds really cool!'

"... it was a passing thought, and she broke her fingers." Cue internal freakout that gets shouted down as an overreaction.

Maybe it's just me.

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TheAdversary Since: Jan, 2001
#248: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:51:33 PM

You know, Haruhi and Kyon are very important to the story, but the character that surprized me the most was Nagato. She is easily the most fleshed out one and the one that develops the most through the series, to the point I could say that the same way Star Wars was about Darth Vader and Metal Gear Solid was about Ocelot, The Saga Of Haruhi Suzumiya is actually about Yuki.

vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#249: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:53:33 PM

She is the most fleshed-out 'cuz Tanigawa has a hard-on for her.wild mass guess

Shadowtext Trickster God from the noosphere Since: Jan, 2001
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#250: Jan 5th 2010 at 7:58:49 PM

That's not wild mass guess. It's practically Word of God. He's said she's his favorite character, at least.


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