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Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 12th 2025 at 5:03:16 PM
Boy, this dude who apparently created the Time Lords and who the entire two part episode has been about freeing sounds really cool. I sure hope he has more than five minutes of screen time and doesn't get beaten with no effort.
What's a Rani anyway? All the other Time Lords have titles. The Doctor. The Master. Doctors and masters are things, so one would assume Ranis are also something that exist.
Edited by WillKeaton on Jun 1st 2025 at 6:57:13 AM
A lot of Time Lords actually have normal names...well, "normal". Their actual names are long compound single names. So Romana is Romanadvoratrelundar and presumably Castellan Spandrell and Cardinal Borusa have extended names too. It kind of seems like only exiles have the title thing going on, because all four Time Lords with only a title for a name are exiles.
Okay, the Monk is never directly stated to be an exile, but given his hobby, he probably is. He probably doesn't even call himself that, he just never introduces himself anywhere in his TV stories.
Edited by Zendervai on Jun 1st 2025 at 9:27:25 AM
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
RTD is really weird with ethnicity not on his own on Doctor Who. Shafted Martha so hard and sandwiched Fifteeth between David Tennant and Billie Piper. Also maybe cucked Micky but Micky got great character development. And Belinda got turned to a single mother through the plot and said it was always the case.
So, I find it weird now that Fugitive is being listed after Thirteen. We know she was introduced after but does that imply her "birth" was in Fugitive of the Judoon? Or the TARDIS just registers Fugitive after Thirteen in her own databanks
Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 1st 2025 at 9:29:27 AM
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It is weird that we get more Ruby than Belinda this season. We at least know her actress wasnt shafted because difficult to work with or something, but we even have concept images of Lux being meant for Ruby and the Doctor.
I genuinely feel like RTD got rid of Ruby and had Belinda instead because he wanted the Poppy concept, but couldnt do it with Ruby. It matches with on the whim ideas this era has
Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 2nd 2025 at 2:30:13 AM
Pantheon server for all who click here. Lost too much money and time, this coaster ain’t stopping.On the whim is exactly right.
This finale eschewed the Doctor's Science Hero approach and made him another blockbuster hero. Facing down Omega by himself? Pull out a ray gun and just blast him into submission. Need to readjust the timeline? Use magic but don't call it magic.
Compare that to last year's finale where even with some magical accessories, the Doctor ultimately beat Sutekh by thinking ahead of him.
I don't think it's a fake out. Simply because I don't see them going to all of this trouble for a fake out and I can totally see RTD doing this. I mean the guy brought David Tennant back.
Edited by Bullman on Jun 2nd 2025 at 12:45:03 PM
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I mean. I definitely think there will be an explanation. I just don't think it like a trick that some are theorizing. I think it will be the case of "it did happen like it seemed but there is a reason for it".
Edited by Bullman on Jun 2nd 2025 at 1:04:21 PM
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The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
It is weird that RTD changed the sonic because he said it was like a gun (okay we know the laser screwdriver exists but is pointing a stick as a gun the first thing that comes in mind?). But how we use the guitar pointed like a rifle with the trillion or something supernovas worth of firepower behind. Hell, the new sonic is shaped more like a gun
In fact, I find it weird in RTD 2, he went back a lot on things he’s proud of saying he’s changed. Robot Revolution become a disabled cyborg, similar to Davros who RTD changed cause he thought disabled villains were offensive. But he’s played straight and had his death actively reveled at.
I could be grateful about RTD changing his mind about Ncuti Gatwa regenerating in a skirt but Jodie Whittaker’s outfit was designed to be unisex in the first place
Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 2nd 2025 at 12:30:27 PM
Pantheon server for all who click here. Lost too much money and time, this coaster ain’t stopping.I've been reading other forums. Most likely, this is what happened:
The season 15 finale was originally supposed to be different. But for some reason, Disney decided not to invest in season 16 (perhaps because of the low ratings of season 14, but more likely because of its own skepticism about streaming platforms). Of course, the BBC will manage on its own. But the level of funding is no longer the same. They had to change plans, season 3 was in limbo.
After that, the central star of the show, Ncuti Gatwa, expressed her desire to leave. He can be understood. A person needs a secure place of work. But there are no guarantees here. However, the original plan was ruined. And Davies had to get out of it. He didn't turn to Billie Piper out of a good life. I don't think she's The Doctor. It's just a way to keep us interested and buy time to start over. Of course, I could be wrong, but I think that's the point. He's still not crazy enough to deliberately give away what we got in the end.
As always, it remains for us to wish the show good luck and follow the precepts of the Count of Monte Cristo.
Edited by bn2000 on Jun 2nd 2025 at 2:24:21 AM
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Its hard to say good luck to a show its people are being burned this badly by it, even more than Chibnall, judging reactions I have seen outside of here. TVT and Tumblr are the only places I know that are still largely positive to the show. Its easy to dismiss them as grifters as RTD does, but people legitimately have problems. RTD is unchecked and proud of it, which a person cant deny even if they still like DW.
Audiences shouldnt be following the precepts of the Count of Monte Christo with the hope quality tv becomes stable again, you know? That isnt a healthy thing for an audience to run on
Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 2nd 2025 at 12:59:35 PM
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Erm… Ncuti Gatwa actually left because Russell T. Davies refused to let him film a deodorant commercial that would have paid him a heck of a lot more had he filmed the potential third season. He chose to leave in Feruary this year, which is when they filmed the reshoots (re the last 20-30 minutes of the episode, aka entire third act). The rest of what you wrote is all correct, as far as I can ascertain at this time.
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I’m pretty sure that Andrew, aka Meglos, the same guy who leaked all those season 15 spoilers, confirmed it but I’m unable to see that post anymore. Anyway, apologies for that but here’s a link confirming why he left regardless
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What do you mean you cant film DW yourself? We have Mark Gatiss as the Doctor in a fanfilm. Hell, Big Finish started off making audiobooks with the DW actors and impressed BBC enough to get the license. You can find an excellent fanmade DW audiobook of Nine and Twelve on youtube. Creative avenues to express dont end because RTD wont give a chance to a new generation of fans to inherit the show.
Again, its a very unhealthy place for an audience to run on hope to be more beloved. I would say its cynical to put up with a show, just so you hope your favorite property doesnt get cancelled than put that energy to even just rewriting the season.
Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jun 2nd 2025 at 2:35:00 AM
Pantheon server for all who click here. Lost too much money and time, this coaster ain’t stopping.No, Ncuti Gatwa confirmed in a behind the scenes for the episode that the plan was always to be this long. I am going to trust him over some leaker on Reddit.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 2nd 2025 at 11:11:24 AM

https://youtu.be/3tJ7LGGpoZU?si=I60zNO2abiVpEto1
this music from the early seasons of doctor who intensives.
(spoilers obviously!)
Edited by Ultimatum on Jun 1st 2025 at 11:38:05 AM
have a listen and have a link to my discord server