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Laura from Shintolin Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#73926: Feb 6th 2014 at 10:58:07 PM

The identities of the two main characters in "A Wild Endeavour" are completely unknown to the audience. In fact, they're unknown even to the actors playing the characters, which begs the question: "Who is Who?"
Stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

He's the Doctor. He could be anywhere in time and space.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#73927: Feb 6th 2014 at 11:00:24 PM

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MusikMaestro from Ireland Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
#73929: Feb 7th 2014 at 12:28:59 AM

Even if they do get the money, the BBC will shut them down.

Also, the fact that they seem to have forgotten that the show doesn't exist yet means most of their prizes are just weird objects signed by people you've never heard of.

edgewalker22 Lawful neutral Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Lawful neutral
#73930: Feb 7th 2014 at 1:06:22 AM

It sounds like a crack fic premise, TBH- Bag Enders meets Doctor Who by way of a Samurai Deeper Kyo omake?

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#73931: Feb 7th 2014 at 8:10:24 AM

So I've noticed rewatching old Who is that it has an Unbuilt Trope thing going on with the Doctor and his relations to his companions, looking like a deconstruction of modern Who. His first companions never wanted to come with him at all and were forced into it, One is often seen as smug and intimidating, and more often than not his hubris and supposed superiority to humans is called out by his companions and they only started to tolerate him after he was knocked down a few pegs in humility. For instance, Shore left because she got sick of feeling like the Doctor's ego-enhancer, as she was used mainly so he could demonstrate just how clever and smart he was compared to her.

The Daleks for instance in their first serial were treated as bulky, inefficient, and their designs were taken to pieces. Not only can they not climb stairs with models like that, they need to be connected to the floor to have any momentum or energy at all. And Susan can't stop laughing at how monotone and grating their voices are.

andersonh1 Since: Apr, 2009
#73932: Feb 7th 2014 at 8:26:51 AM

Shore?

Yeah, the Daleks were never meant to be universe-traveling menaces. The fact that they can't even leave their city is a plot point in that first story with them. Their popularity changed all that.

edited 7th Feb '14 8:28:54 AM by andersonh1

zam Since: Jun, 2009
#73933: Feb 7th 2014 at 8:28:20 AM

[up][up]Things like that happen in long running genre shows compare original Star Trek/Captain Kirk to the popular conception of Captain Kirk.

edited 7th Feb '14 8:28:27 AM by zam

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#73934: Feb 7th 2014 at 8:36:15 AM

My bad, meant Shaw, as in Liz Shaw. Ugh, haven't slept in a day and a half, will do weird crap to your brain.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#73935: Feb 7th 2014 at 9:11:58 AM

[up][up][up] ...Define "never" because the Daleks attacked Earth the season after their first appearance and the story after that they had time travel.

[up] ...Dammit that makes me thing of the Alien Prequel with the dumb scientists.

edited 7th Feb '14 9:12:29 AM by unnoun

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#73936: Feb 7th 2014 at 9:28:41 AM

Ah, you didn't like the movie or character? And derp on my part, no idea how I got the two confused.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#73937: Feb 7th 2014 at 9:32:40 AM

[up][up] Never as of their first story, I think is what is being implied there. Things changed when they became popular but it wasn't really an organic growth from their original concept so much as an organic growth of 'holy shit we need to get these guys back in the show.'

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#73939: Feb 7th 2014 at 9:36:36 AM

[up][up][up]No, the main character in Prometheus played by Noomi Rapace is named Elizabeth Shaw. There was a Doctor Who character in the first four serials of the Pertwee era also named Elizabeth Shaw. Also a scientist. Played by Caroline John. Names The Same.

...I have mixed feelings on the movie. On the one hand I liked it, on the other hand the scene where they're disappointed the giant extraterrestrial head isn't a living alien they can talk to and decide to electrify it to see what happens is one of the dumbest and most frustrating sequences in the history of media for me to watch.

...Most astronomers I know would be pretty goddamned pleased with finding evidence of extraterrestrial life even if it was dead. I don't care so much about getting scientific "facts" wrong but the way people screw up the scientific method and the scientific community so severely is just. And anyway, you do not just do random shit to see what happens without even a fucking hypothesis! And you could just take slides of the damn thing to examine! Samples!

...But yeah, it was a pretty good movie.

edited 7th Feb '14 9:40:22 AM by unnoun

kalel94 Rascal King from Dragonstone Since: Feb, 2011
Rascal King
#73940: Feb 7th 2014 at 9:45:31 AM

I liked the visuals of Prometheus and Michael Fassbender's performance. The plot was lame, nothing was answered, and all those "scientists" acted like preschoolers on a field trip.

The last hurrah? Nah, I'd do it again.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#73941: Feb 7th 2014 at 9:48:42 AM

I always love H.R. Giger's art and designs. David was amazing.

And there's just something about the med pod scene that is just beautifully fucked up and deliberately uncomfortable to watch in a very visceral way that hasn't really been done that well since maybe the chestburster scene from the original Alien.

Which had John Hurt in it so yay, back on topic. tongue

Press Gang, Doctorin' The TARDIS.

edited 7th Feb '14 9:54:27 AM by unnoun

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#73942: Feb 7th 2014 at 10:08:22 AM

Yeah that's what I was trying to get at. That the dalek's early installment weirdness by today's standards weren't an organic evolution from where we first saw them. And their two future appearances were fueled by fan popularity and rule of cool.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#73943: Feb 7th 2014 at 10:49:20 AM

The Daleks became what they are today before the end of the Hartnell era, though. All that's really happened since is some additional concepts, like Davros or the Dalek Emperor. Well- post time war Daleks are pretty much invincible, which was never really a thing with classic Daleks, so that's something.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#73945: Feb 7th 2014 at 10:55:30 AM

But now, the daleks have a parliamentary democracy where all daleks are created equal and there is a standard of one dalek, one vote except the only thing they ever vote on is "exterminate?"

The nitty gritty policy details are handled by the Cabinet of the Daleks.

Its amazing the kind of social progress you can make when your emperor gets blown up.

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PurpleDalek Since: Sep, 2011
#73946: Feb 7th 2014 at 10:59:01 AM

They probably vote on whether they should exterminate or enslave whatever races they come across.

edited 7th Feb '14 10:59:28 AM by PurpleDalek

ZeroPotential Since: Jun, 2010
#73947: Feb 7th 2014 at 10:59:36 AM

According to The Writer's Tale,' RTD had apparently planned for a Dalek Parliament to have allied with the Time Lords as part of The End of Time.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#73948: Feb 7th 2014 at 11:00:08 AM

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Oboeplum Antiheroic antivillain from somewhere really boring Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Antiheroic antivillain
#73949: Feb 7th 2014 at 11:12:34 AM

I just rewatched utopia. John Simm is an amazing master. Also the "You've got a hand in your bag/that's my hand" thing is one of the best exchanges ever

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