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Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 12th 2025 at 5:03:16 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#73576: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:47:50 PM

[up][up] That was a planet. A planet!

Like those wossnames, jupiters or yavins.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73577: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:51:05 PM

The Starmaker is one of the greatest exploration of the nature of conciousness in 20th century literature, but also has a section when stars declare war on all intelligent life.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#73578: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:51:25 PM

Why?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#73580: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:52:14 PM

If stars are alive then it raises the question of why Skaro's sun was still around for Remembrance.

It seems like being neighbors with the Daleks wouldn't work so well.

edited 29th Jan '14 2:52:44 PM by unnoun

MusikMaestro from Ireland Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
#73581: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:52:14 PM

Because being a star is quite boring.

edited 29th Jan '14 2:52:33 PM by MusikMaestro

imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#73582: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:53:27 PM

The Daleks are willing to use inferior life-forms for their own purposes.

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#73583: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:53:52 PM

[up][up][up]...I'd ask if Daleks would seriously be dumb enough to decide to blow up their own sun, but I think we all know the answer to that.

edited 29th Jan '14 2:54:02 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
PurpleDalek Since: Sep, 2011
#73584: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:54:22 PM

The Doctor blew up Skaro's sun so she'd probably be pissed off at him.

Wait, the Eye of Harmony is a star. This means Sexy and Harmony might chat with each other.

edited 29th Jan '14 2:55:30 PM by PurpleDalek

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#73585: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:54:57 PM

Why don't stars count as intelligent life in that thing?

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imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#73586: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:57:41 PM

They do

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#73587: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:58:48 PM

But they're declaring war on all intelligent life so shouldn't they hate each other too?

Are they giant flaming daleks or something?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#73588: Jan 29th 2014 at 2:59:25 PM

I think that after the Daleks develop Space Travel that Skaro basically becomes a giant tourist trap. I mean, it has no actual resources or strategic value. I suppose once they get Time Travel it becomes a bit more important because that historical value can be turned against them, but otherwise, it's mostly just a really big monument to Dalek supremacy.

edited 29th Jan '14 3:02:53 PM by unnoun

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73589: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:00:25 PM

@Boc

They declared war because the most efficient way to travel in a universe where faster than light travel was either impossible, or highly impractical, was moving your entire solar system with a star engine (Which are actually logistically viable things and hold up even in modern understandings of physics) and of course. The stars didn't like being moved, and tried to avoid this eventuality of opportunistic thinking life.

Whether stars were intelligent was left ambiguous; it was hinted that they run on some sort of 1937 version of quantum mechanics; where stars do things most likely to allow stars to exist.

Fundamentally stars exist, therefore, stars are good at existing. Don't think you can tell the driving process of then universe as it is understood what it should do.

edited 29th Jan '14 3:05:31 PM by Whowho

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#73590: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:02:52 PM

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imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#73593: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:08:10 PM

In this context, I'm pretty sure that 'where are we going?' is not even a valid question, because it seems to assume an objective frame of reference. We are moving relative to other things and they are moving relative to us and each other, but there is no end-goal, any more than there is an end-goal to biological evolution.

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73594: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:09:08 PM

[up][up][up][up] Something to keep in mind Boc that the setting of The Starmaker assumes that the universe was created by purposed design. If stars existing untampered is required for the universe to clock on as originally planned, measures must be taken in the design to ensure this.

In fact the oddness of how stars work was one of the things that clued the protagonists in that the universe was designed. Though it was nice to see the 1937 Englishman's face when he found out it wasn't made by that entity named God.

edited 29th Jan '14 3:10:54 PM by Whowho

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#73595: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:10:36 PM

Reminds me of a book by Pratchett.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#73597: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:12:05 PM

Strata.

It was Kind of a spoof on Ringworld. Controversially, I actually like it better than Ringworld.

edited 29th Jan '14 3:35:39 PM by Bocaj

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imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#73598: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:13:55 PM

[up]Heretic. And it's spelled Strata

edited 29th Jan '14 3:15:15 PM by imadinosaur

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#73599: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:14:27 PM

Hmm, I need to read that one.

I'd recommend Starmaker, but it's one of the most boring narratives I have ever encountered. It's just an entire novel of the exploration of philosophy. But it is an exploration of impeccable logic.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#73600: Jan 29th 2014 at 3:17:26 PM

Logic, my dear Whowho, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.

edited 29th Jan '14 3:17:46 PM by unnoun


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