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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#72801: Jan 18th 2014 at 6:35:04 PM

I'm not entirely sure I expect that.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#72802: Jan 18th 2014 at 6:45:41 PM

Depending on what the story is about and what the writer's going for, I may or may not.

edited 18th Jan '14 6:46:31 PM by IraTheSquire

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#72803: Jan 18th 2014 at 6:47:37 PM

Anoraks is a weird name to call a group of people.

The UK and always naming groups after clothings.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#72804: Jan 18th 2014 at 8:42:54 PM

I dunno. I have heard of some derogatory terms using items of clothing as their subject, but most of those come from the Cockney subspecies of Londoner from England. Who are weird.tongue

TParadox Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: The captain of her heart
#72805: Jan 18th 2014 at 8:50:00 PM

Would you prefer "mouthbreather"? "Four-eyes"?

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#72806: Jan 18th 2014 at 10:46:49 PM

It's also important for people who who expect characters to have actual coherent lives with memories affecting them.

Laura, perhaps the word you're looking for here is continuity, distinct in conception from canon.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#72807: Jan 18th 2014 at 10:50:19 PM

Look, it doesn't get much more incoherent than never having had parents and then having them an then remembering both existences simultaneously. That be some El Goonish Shive-grade shit, mon.

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Oboeplum Antiheroic antivillain from somewhere really boring Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#72808: Jan 18th 2014 at 11:40:11 PM

The way time paradoxes work in media has changed since the 60's, so the way Doctor who portrays them would inevitalby change.

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Laura from Shintolin Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#72809: Jan 19th 2014 at 1:40:58 AM

[up][up][up]Same argument either way: what 'counts' matters to more than just persnickety list makers.

[up][up]River Song was in the TARDIS when one of her parents, who had died and never been born, killed the other of her parents, before her conception.

edited 19th Jan '14 1:51:39 AM by Laura

He's the Doctor. He could be anywhere in time and space.
Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
Ding-ding! Going down...
#72810: Jan 19th 2014 at 2:01:37 AM

Same argument either way: what 'counts' matters to more than just persnickety list makers.

While I see your point, I don't really agree. While canon and continuity are two different ways of measuring a work's influence and validity, they're distinctly different concepts. Where continuity talks about how the narrative events of one work influence the narrative events of another, canon is the grouping together of various texts to form a corpus of validated texts.

Continuity is important for coherence, since it implies a stability of events. i.e. for "characters to have actual coherent lives with memories affecting them", which is what you argued in favour for.

However, canon doesn't mean coherence. In fact it easily allows for a lack of coherence, as seen in the appearance of continuity errors in canonical collections, like within the Star Wars canon or within Christian doctrine (the original "canon"). Canon legitimises the value of a source by a certain set of rubrics, but it doesn't stop the emergence of contradictions within that validated grouping.

From where I stand you seem to be advocating the use of continuity, and mistaking that as a defence of canon. Do you get where I'm coming from?

edited 19th Jan '14 2:04:28 AM by Nicknacks

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#72811: Jan 19th 2014 at 3:35:50 AM

[up][up]???????just bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs me

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#72813: Jan 19th 2014 at 12:27:24 PM

How do Faction Paradox deal with the Clock Roaches?

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#72814: Jan 19th 2014 at 12:28:41 PM

By not being written or edited by Russell T Davies.

Also Loa, probably.

edited 19th Jan '14 12:30:27 PM by unnoun

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#72817: Jan 19th 2014 at 6:48:40 PM

What about peek-a-boo?

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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#72819: Jan 20th 2014 at 3:19:27 AM

[up] Interesting ideas there. Though I'm surprised that he did not mention the Cyberking and the Cyber-dog-thingy which has never appeared before and never appeared since.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#72820: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:13:55 AM

In the days of Doctor actors stepping down being public knowledge months before it's even announced. I would like a next Doctor to be cast a series early and crop up before they become the current Doctor. It would be great to see a multi Doctor story from the perspective of the younger Doctor after all.

Also that article touches on something I've always believed. There's so few Cybermen stories about the Cybermen. Something needs to be done.

In other news I've been asking myself how I would rank the seven Series of Nu Who (If we include specials into the previous season) Although Series 1 is without doubt at the top of the list, and Series 5 a second, it all gets a bit mirky after that as most of the series have a huge range in good and bad episodes.

For instance Series 6 has The Impossible Astronaut/Day Of The Moon, A Good man Goes To War, The Girl Who Waited and God Complex which are some of my favourite stories of Nu Who, but outside of that, eh.

Series 3 has my favourite character arc of 'The Doctor is Lonely' simple and executed well, but few of the episodes stand out. Series 4 is on the whole brilliant, but I freaking hate Journey's End which was pants for all kinds of reasons, and found that despite all the exploration of character and themes in Series 4, it had nothing concise to say in conclusion.

Series 7 has some of the best writing of our current era present in the vast majority of the stories, but the Series just treads water far too much.

Thankfully I have no doubt Series 2 is at the bottom of the list.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#72821: Jan 20th 2014 at 6:23:08 AM

In the days of Doctor actors stepping down being public knowledge months before it's even announced. I would like a next Doctor to be cast a series early and crop up before they become the current Doctor. It would be great to see a multi Doctor story from the perspective of the younger Doctor after all.
The problem with that is that generally the new Doctor is cast before the writers have worked out exactly what to do with them, which is why post-regenerative trauma is a thing: it allows you to play with a sort of half-formed version of the character and easily write off any inconsistencies from that episode on.

There's so few Cybermen stories about the Cybermen. Something needs to be done.
Seconded.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#72822: Jan 20th 2014 at 7:18:54 AM

Oh. There was a TARDIS Eruditorum today.

Whatever.

edited 20th Jan '14 7:21:36 AM by unnoun

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#72824: Jan 20th 2014 at 7:24:22 AM

I'm the same unnoun. I'm just a little more tired and hormonal is all.

Also I'm not allowed to have caffeine.

edited 20th Jan '14 7:32:50 AM by unnoun

Whowho Since: May, 2012

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