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Edited by Mrph1 on Jun 12th 2025 at 5:03:16 PM

MarcRS from over there Since: Nov, 2009
#301: Dec 17th 2009 at 2:33:23 PM

This was my interpretation as well. And it's one of the reasons I hope the "Time Lord Victorious" thing sticks, it sounds like it'd be a really interesting direction to go in.
I hope so too. That is, unless certain rumours and theories I have heard are true.

I'm referring to the Time Lord Victorious. Time was stronger than him and solved his paradox by inspiring one little suicide.
I thought that was just her personal choice. Her conscience. You can't blame everything on the effects of fate and spacetime.

Given the comments about time compensating for things in the likes of Turn Left it seems reasonable that they aren't the normal effects of time meddling.
Yes, and quite a weak effect too. I think I remember the Ninth Doctor saying that the Time Lords would be able to prevent that sort of thing.

Inkblot Since: Jan, 2001
#302: Dec 20th 2009 at 8:39:39 PM

Episode titles for Series 5:

Episode 1: The Eleventh Hour

Episode 4: The Time of Angels (part 1)

Episode 5: Flesh and Stone (part 2)

Episode 6: Vampires of Venice

Episode 9: Cold Blood (part 2 of 2)

Episode 10: Vincent and the Doctor (working title)

Returning enemies:

Daleks, Silurians (different form, kind of look like reptilian samuari), Myrka, Weeping Angels, Cybermen (different form)

edited 20th Dec '09 8:51:37 PM by Inkblot

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Inkblot Since: Jan, 2001
#303: Dec 20th 2009 at 9:24:22 PM

edited 20th Dec '09 9:43:41 PM by Inkblot

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LuckyRevenant ALMSIVI from The Flood Since: Jan, 2001
Inkblot Since: Jan, 2001
#305: Dec 20th 2009 at 11:19:01 PM

Most of the stuff on there is gleaned from Gallifrey Base, which is often frequented by people working on the show, writers (they once made the writer of "Daleks in Manhattan" cry) fans who managed to sneak onto one of the sets and snap some photos, etc.

Much of it's from this thread, but you'll need to get a GB account to see it.

edited 20th Dec '09 11:38:40 PM by Inkblot

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LizardBite Shameless Self-Promoter from Two Galaxies Over Since: Jan, 2001
#306: Dec 21st 2009 at 2:19:13 PM

Returning enemies:

Daleks,

Does that really need to be spoilered?

DaeBrayk PI Since: Aug, 2009
PI
#307: Dec 21st 2009 at 10:31:18 PM

^AAAHHHH!!! You've ruined it... sad

So this is airing on christmas day?

wellinever Last woman standing from Australia Since: Jan, 2001
Last woman standing
#308: Dec 22nd 2009 at 2:46:16 AM

Anyone worried about whether the Weeping Angel's will stand up to a double episode. I mean Blink had the time loop thing going for it AND the fact that you knew Sally and Lawrance were alone with no Doctor to help them. The pressure was up there. I'm wondering whether they'd be as ominous second time round. I mean Whedon never felt the need to bring back The Gentlemen, and they are so memorable because of that.

slowzombie Platypus! from Way up North Since: Jan, 2001
Platypus!
#309: Dec 22nd 2009 at 5:04:38 AM

Weeping angels, oh my :o As if I wasn't hyped enough for this season as it was. Also: Epic conclusion soon, almost can't wait.

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Inkblot Since: Jan, 2001
#310: Dec 22nd 2009 at 12:51:50 PM

The End of Time, part 1 summary:

Both the Ood and everyone on Earth are having bad dreams of the Master, but nobody on Earth can remember what was so bad about the dream after they wake up, barring Wilf. So after the Doctor has had the Master revealed to him by the Ood, he heads back to Earth. On Earth, the governor of the prison Lucy Saxon is in turns out to be a disciple of the Master, and sacrifices Lucy to resurrect him with the ring. The process seemingly blows up the prison, and the Master promptly does one. The Doctor gets on the chase, and confronts him telling he wants to help him, but the dodgy process of bringing the Master back has driven him even more mad. So the Master does one again, but the Doctor is slowed down when Wilf and the Silver Cloak stop him. The Master is later caught by Joshua Naismith's soldiers, who take him to Naismith's mansion to repair 'the Immortality Gate'. After Wilf shows the Doctor 'fighting the future', a book written by Naismith which Donna got him for Christmas, they go to Naismith's mansion and land in the basement, where they find the Vinvocci. The Vinvocci are trying to recover the missing Immortality Gate, which is a medical device for healing entire planets. But they find they're too late. As they head up stairs, the Master has turned the tides on Naismith and taken over, stepping into the Immortality Gate and beaming himself into the heads of everyone in the room.

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MarcRS from over there Since: Nov, 2009
#312: Dec 23rd 2009 at 9:11:19 PM

Returning enemies:

Daleks,

Does that really need to be spoilered?

Well maybe. The spoiler being whether 11 will continue 10's tradition of bumping into them all the time.

edited 23rd Dec '09 9:12:16 PM by MarcRS

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#313: Dec 25th 2009 at 11:04:42 AM

I wonder if 11 will be 11 if you know what I mean.

James Bond in a Wizards cloak. Only one thing in the universe could be that awesome and indeed so it came to pass.

SilentHunter The Russophile from London, UK Since: Dec, 1969
The Russophile
#314: Dec 25th 2009 at 11:40:14 AM

@Some Sort Of Troper: Hear, hear. Timothy Dalton (yes, I troped him) just screams Time Lord.

9/10 for that, pending Part Two. The Master was brilliant and so was David Tennant.

@ Inkblot: Did the last scene get withheld at the press screening?

edited 25th Dec '09 11:42:14 AM by Silent Hunter

SilentHunter The Russophile from London, UK Since: Dec, 1969
The Russophile
#315: Dec 25th 2009 at 12:16:54 PM

There was a lot of ham in that episode. And turkey...

LizardBite Shameless Self-Promoter from Two Galaxies Over Since: Jan, 2001
#316: Dec 25th 2009 at 1:35:30 PM

Us Americans don't get to see it until tomorrow.

Not that I'm complaining that it's only a day later, mind you.

edited 25th Dec '09 1:36:03 PM by LizardBite

SunshineDuk Books? from Swarthmore Since: Jan, 2001
Books?
#317: Dec 25th 2009 at 5:48:22 PM

Am I the only one who thought this episode was TERRIBLE? I mean really just utterly and laughably awful. I came out of it hoping it was just a bad self-parody episode or something, honestly.

Every plot element was recycled from an earlier episode. There were half a dozen plotlines going at once, none of which got enough attention. John Simm was hamming it up WAY too far, and his powers made ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE! And then the ending... come onnn. Really? Really? REALLY?

The only good thing in this episode was Wilf. Wilf is always wonderful.

  • Sunshine

SPACE? LASERS? ROBOTS?
Fenrah For the emprah! from Somewhere to the north. Since: Aug, 2009
For the emprah!
#318: Dec 26th 2009 at 2:20:42 AM

It's been better than the last couple of season finales. There's still a second part, too.

Also, that last scene. Holy crap.

When in deadly danger, when beset by doubt, run in little circles, wave your arms and shout.
SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#319: Dec 26th 2009 at 3:44:28 AM

No, no, no don't! Arrrrg-

edited 26th Dec '09 3:45:40 AM by SomeSortOfTroper

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#320: Dec 26th 2009 at 3:45:03 AM

It seemed highly stricken by the difficulties of being "Part 1". Certain things needed to happen so they got half a minute explanation e.g. "Oh I want to make my daughter immortal and as you can tell from my acting, I'm a bit of a prick." or "This things can change the entire world, here are some spiky green people to explain why". On the other hand, it also had difficult setting up actual things for the Doctor to do so it spent most of its time with him just mulling around emphasising how batshit everything was going for him. The best bits were at the beginning with The Doctor going to the Ood, seeing Wilf again and so on. They had the right plot to atmosphere ratio.

Incidentally, saw the Never Mind The Buzzcocks Doctor Who special- Bernard Cribbins is one funny womble. Managed to out odd Noel Fielding.

occono from Ireland. Since: Apr, 2009
#321: Dec 26th 2009 at 8:28:47 AM

But if every Human's The Master now what does the Immortal Daughter storyline matter now?

Dumbo
Mr.Wednesday Since: Dec, 1969
#322: Dec 26th 2009 at 9:46:25 AM

I think abovementioned storyline there's going to get promptly ignored now, it was just a stepping stone really (and a convenient stock motivation).

Meh. The last scene was balls-tighteningly good, but the rest...more terrible writing. I stopped being annoyed by it a while ago, now it just makes me sad. :(

Sneeb super sugoi kawaii neko desuas from poo world (aka tvtropes) Since: Jan, 2001
super sugoi kawaii neko desuas
#323: Dec 26th 2009 at 10:38:02 AM

Any scene involving the Master was solid gold. Even when he's ranting about the meat and chunks of red and grease and spittle and fat and OM NOM NOM, he's giving it such gusto and frenetic insanity that he's just made of win. His randomly pulling powers out of his ass seemed a little much, but hell, he's the Master. He makes crossing the Moral Event Horizon such a hammy good time!

The immortality seeking rich guy needed so much more establishment and exposition for the audience to really buy his schtick, but he's just a plot device (like the cactus aliens), so I can forgive it.

Wilf and the Doctor in the coffee shop was fantastic - nice to see that after the events of the Waters of Mars ( which some have argued was the Tenth Doctor's Moral Event Horizon ) he's still troubled about his newfound role. It was very touching, which made me willing to gloss over the stupider plot point so much more readily.

Timothy Dalton as the Narrator was epic - I could practically feel the spittle spattering across my screen as he hammed things up to the nines. He may have been a shitty James Bond, but he's a damn fine actor.

And the Master's speech to the Dcotor upped the HSQ to new heights:

"The human race was always your favourite. But now, there is no human race. There is only The Master Race!"

Crowning Moment Of Awesome

wild mass guess: Regarding the Return of the Time Lords, I'm going to say it was the Ood. Chameleon Arch FTW. Five bucks US or a good decongestant for a head cold says this is what happened.

edited 26th Dec '09 10:43:02 AM by Sneeb

an heroic gesture would do the world good
slowzombie Platypus! from Way up North Since: Jan, 2001
Platypus!
#324: Dec 26th 2009 at 1:57:52 PM

There certainly were a bit of plot that felt a bit odd, but what made me go "Uhm... whut?" was The Doctor meeting a mad super-bum/Master. I imagine it's what a cross between Doctor Who and Condemned would be like. Another thing I found distracting was their apparent desire to have their Obama cake and eat it too  *

, I guess they figured that merely implying that there's a real-life president involved isn't good enough for them any more. As for The Master's plan? Well, I'm a bit torn on that one, but it does show that he's as good at Xanatos Speed Chess as he is being your garden variety Magnificent Bastard, and I guess that's something. What I'm REALLY curious about, though, is how his plan fits into the return of the time lords and the end of time. Oh, and under what circumstances Ten will regenerate, of course. As long as part two delivers on these counts, I'll be more than happy, although you probably won't find The End Of Time together with The Godfather and Alien in my "Squeeworthy writing"-section.

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GoggleFox rrrrrrrrr from Acadia, yo. Since: Jul, 2009
rrrrrrrrr
#325: Dec 26th 2009 at 7:14:25 PM

Well, um... that was unexpected.

Sakamoto demands an explanation for this shit.

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