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This is the thread for discussion of The Order of the Stick plot, characters, etc. We have a separate thread for discussing game rules and mechanics. Excessive rules discussions here may be thumped as off-topic.

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edited 18th Sep '17 1:08:08 PM by Fighteer

Will29 (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#60526: Sep 19th 2022 at 7:34:37 AM

I will think outside the box and vote on V's astronomy to save the day.

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#60527: Sep 19th 2022 at 8:41:10 AM

Do I really need to remind all of you that the cosmic threat to the world is literally a giant ball of deific yarn?

HeraldAlberich from Ohio (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#60528: Sep 19th 2022 at 9:30:58 AM

What's particularly funny is that Unspoken Plan Guarantee is still in full effect, as O-Chul went "Let's never speak of every item we have at our disposal ever again".

That’s more Rich lampshading that he has no intention of actually publishing the list so as not to constrain his storytelling options.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#60529: Sep 19th 2022 at 11:14:49 AM

[up] Both? Both.

Though for UPG to in full effect maybe none of those skills will help but a new unrevealed talent of Elan's, who is apparently still beneath notice, will be.

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#60530: Sep 19th 2022 at 11:52:57 AM

My vote goes to Lien blowing smoke rings. It's the only skill that came with a condition.

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#60531: Sep 19th 2022 at 11:57:28 AM

Considering how much of a fan of fake-outs the Giant is, I bet each skill is going to come up at least once before the right one saves the day.

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#60533: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:00:33 PM

... I'm mildly annoyed that Haley's secret from the scrambled speech arc didn't come up here even if it was a anticlimax now feels like the best place to put it.

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#60534: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:03:41 PM

I'm not sure that being bisexual really counts as a skill.

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#60535: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:05:23 PM

I vote for none of them.

Each skill comes up, and only makes the situation worse before something else saves the day.

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#60536: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:07:33 PM

Except she already "confessed" to being bi earlier in that conversation.

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RaichuKFM Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons. from Where she's at Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
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#60537: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:34:17 PM

I'm sort of lost what we're even on about, here.

Haley's already out as bi, eg here. That's just, that's a known thing, now. (You could quibble on that strip but it seems if anything stronger than "I've kissed a girl once. Okay, more than once. I might not exactly be—" or however that went.)

Was it a secret from a strip other than the one where she coughs up several secrets to try and make the scrambled voice thing stop? Because there's not really a skill on that page, the closest thing is cheating at Solitaire.

What am I missing?

Edited by RaichuKFM on Sep 19th 2022 at 3:34:40 PM

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#60538: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:43:02 PM

The line I'm not exactly what you call... gets cut off and wasn't answered at a later date.

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#60539: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:45:08 PM

Calling this a Wham Episode scared me, geez. I was going to vote bees, but the yarn theory really has me. And maybe the astronomy...

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#60540: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:46:38 PM

[up][up]Wasn't there a lot of speculation about what that meant and if she was half-dragon or something in the early days of the comic?

Edited by fredhot16 on Sep 19th 2022 at 12:46:58 PM

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#60541: Sep 19th 2022 at 12:53:41 PM

I do like that theory. It would make this strip from way back into a Sarcastic Confession. But we've seen other half-dragons in the strip and there isn't any special shame about it or anything. And it would impart a lot of useful abilities that should have come up before now.

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#60542: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:08:12 PM

My theory was/is(there's still room I suppose for Roy to notice a lack of a bonus feat and more skill points than Haley should have) Aasimar, as it explains why Ian had such a STRONG reaction to Haley telling people that her mother went to heaven, it in fact EXPLAINS why Mia Starshine is still dead as the Thieves Guilds connection to the Church of Loki + A pretty intact body, meant that Ian could otherwise afford to raise her. A half Outsider cannot be raised which was even referenced in comic with the half-Earth Elemental at the Godsmoot. Most of the bonuses Aasimar get are either passive or useless for a thief (The Daylight spell). This would both explain why Haley's Aasimar nature doesn't matter in most situations, and continue the joke that every member of the Order of the Stick is poorly optimized. And the reason Haley wouldn't say this is because she probably thinks she'll be judged for NOT LIVING UP to what a literal descendant of good should be.

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Daremo Misanthrope Supreme from Parts Unknown Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#60543: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:10:40 PM

I'm not sure that being bisexual really counts as a skill.

No, it's absolutely a skill. I put a bunch of points in it, but I took them out of Charisma, and it turns out you really need both...

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#60544: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:20:15 PM

[up][up]Aasimar are native outsiders, they can be raised by normal resurrection magic.

Edited by Resileafs on Sep 19th 2022 at 4:20:31 AM

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#60545: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:21:46 PM

Ah, damn, I thought they worked like 5e teiflings, but I DID have actual trouble finding all the 3.5 rules. Theory's dead anyway.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60546: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:23:51 PM

I don't remember exactly, but I recall the context of her saying "I'm not exactly" whatever leads itself to "I'm not exactly Good" not I'm not exactly human.

What was the actual strip though?

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#60547: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:25:32 PM

The problem is that once again, Haley was open at that time about not being a paragon of the CG alignment. I'm pretty sure the line "I'm chaotic-good-ish" came before that strip.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#60548: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:27:51 PM

Okay, what was the actual strip again? And I'd personally say there's actually a distinction between the applying "ish" and just straight up saying you're not a thing at all (even if that wouldn't be true, and more about her own insecurities).

Edited by LSBK on Sep 19th 2022 at 3:28:55 AM

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#60550: Sep 19th 2022 at 1:31:19 PM

I do not remember Haley having any alignment troubles whatsoever or any sign she's ashamed of them.

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