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This is the thread for discussion of The Order of the Stick plot, characters, etc. We have a separate thread for discussing game rules and mechanics. Excessive rules discussions here may be thumped as off-topic.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#57951: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:41:51 AM

I'm just waiting for Belkar to ride Bloodfeast again...

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#57952: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:42:24 AM

4x [up] The way the party communicated with each other after Roy was knocked out, it's not unreasonable to intepret Haley as the second-in-command. Is it unfair to treat her as the leader if the real leader is out of commission? I think Serini targeted Roy first specifically because he's the real leader.
Serini called Haley the leader, not second in command, so I'm assuming she thinks Haley is leader until confirmed otherwise. Not sure if that's the same Rogue bias as Ian, or Eugene's anti-fighter bias, though I'm inclined to the former given who this dungeon exists to commemorate.

[up] I half-expected the joke to be Bloodfeast had died in the bag or something, except Belkar hasn't been that neglectful of his animal pals.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 7th 2021 at 6:44:11 AM

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#57953: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:52:10 AM

Yeah, given that Serini literally called Haley the leader, it's best to assume that Serini thinks Haley is the leader.

Also, all of the shots she's missing are being fired at Haley. As a rogue, Haley has Uncanny Dodge, so she retains her Dex bonus to AC even when flat-footed or attacked by an invisible foe.

That's what's happening here. Haley's sharp rogue senses mean she can dodge blowdarts from an invisible assailant. The hard counter to rogue shenanigans is another rogue.

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#57954: Jul 7th 2021 at 6:57:23 AM

Right, if Serini gave up on Haley and took out the dwarves, who are the only ones who can give her the data she needs to counterattack, Serini could knock out the rest of the party pretty much at her leisure. Heck, get V after the dwarves and she can have Sunny turn the antimagic off, then charm or paralyze the rest. But Serini seems to think she ought to go by perceived seniority.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#57955: Jul 7th 2021 at 7:10:06 AM

@Alekos - I don't think Lizardmen/Lizardfolk/Lizardpeople/Whatever are copyrighted, but Yuan-ti are, and the theory is that this is what Malack is. One thing I find interesting about that idea is that as I understand it, Yuan-ti are Always Chaotic Evil, so this would be another way in which Malack is a Double Subversion of Obviously Evil.

Nice reference to/subversion of the Bloodfeast unleashed theory in the comic.

Edited by Hodor2 on Jul 7th 2021 at 9:11:04 AM

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#57956: Jul 7th 2021 at 7:27:36 AM

Serini thinking Haley's the leader isn't exactly wrong. Since Roy's currently K'Oed, she's the de facto leader. She was more or less the leader when Roy was dead too.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#57957: Jul 7th 2021 at 7:42:22 AM

Serini having difficulties due to misconceptions (thinking Haley is the leader and attacking her, when she should probably be targeting other members) certainly falls in line with her actions so far.

She thinks she knows everything about the Xykon situation, but is missing key bits of information.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#57958: Jul 7th 2021 at 7:44:10 AM

I still hope and pray and think the probability that Bloodfeast will be unleashed is quite high (it would be a waste of potential otherwise), but it's a bit early in the arc for that.

Edited by jjjj2 on Jul 7th 2021 at 10:48:02 AM

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#57959: Jul 7th 2021 at 8:50:57 AM

Haley took command and the others are more or less deferring to her even as they try to come up with solutions on their own. She's functionally the leader right now.

And yeah Malack was probably a Yuan-ti pretending to be a lizardman. Or just wearing a robe and not correcting people when they make that assumption.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57960: Jul 7th 2021 at 8:52:34 AM

Way back in the thread when it was actually relevant to what was going on I remember someone stating it's been confirmed that Malack was just a snake-version of a Lizardman.

But I don't know where to find that piece of Word of God so feel free to ignore this post.

Edited by LSBK on Jul 7th 2021 at 11:01:11 AM

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#57961: Jul 7th 2021 at 8:58:48 AM

I also remember people saying that, for what it's worth. I've no idea what he is. Doesn't really matter much, does it?

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#57962: Jul 7th 2021 at 9:57:15 AM

I do have to note that my impression (confirmed by a Google Image search) is that Yuan-ti generally look more humanoid than Malack does.

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#57963: Jul 7th 2021 at 10:07:22 AM

Yaunt Ti range from the Naga look (human torso, snake below the waist) or are completely humanoid with weird eyes.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#57964: Jul 7th 2021 at 10:09:46 AM

Aye, I totally don't expect a yaun-ti to look like Malek.

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#57965: Jul 7th 2021 at 10:11:13 AM

[up][up] Yup. Yuan-Ti Abominations in particular also have four arms, the Purebloods are almost human. The ones in between could be like this, but it's been a while since I saw it.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#57966: Jul 7th 2021 at 5:23:10 PM

Yuan-ti Abominations (the ones with no legs) sometimes only have two arms. They do however have an insane Level Adjustment that would have cranked Malack's already bad LA (from being a vampire) into the stratosphere.

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#57967: Jul 7th 2021 at 5:29:30 PM

I feel sorry for Roy, with Serini totally blowing him off.

The only reason he's even unconscious is because he tried to reasonably talk things out, perhaps because he thought whoever this is was one of the legitimate gate defenders and he figured it was a misunderstanding.

He was half right.....and technically fully right, since Serini is badly misunderstanding multiple aspects of the situation.

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#57968: Jul 7th 2021 at 7:31:11 PM

Oh wait, yeah, it's only two arms. It's demons that start getting a ton of arms. Or devils? Can't remember what a Marilith is, and that's not snakey.

And an Abomination would really have pumped up that HD. 9 RHD, +7 LA, and at least an 11th level Cleric to cast Harm. Having an ECL of 27+ didn't seem terribly likely; I remember the discussion on the GitP forum when it came out.

johnnye Since: Jan, 2001
#57969: Jul 8th 2021 at 3:52:49 AM

I really love that last panel. It's not quite Funny Background Event because Haley's been just as much the focus of the strip as Elan & Belkar are, but there's just an unspoken "when you two are quite finished chatting..."

(PS, can Elan use the 3.5e version of bardic inspiration or was it explicitly magical in that edition?)

Also [tup] Elan's "carrying a torch" gag.

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#57970: Jul 8th 2021 at 4:33:53 AM

Now that Bloodfeast has been mentioned, he has to come out at some point, right?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#57971: Jul 8th 2021 at 5:22:19 AM

It's magic. It came up earlier that his singing wasn't helping due to antimagic. I don't remember when.

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#57972: Jul 8th 2021 at 5:32:12 AM

Hmm, is summoning Blackwing magical? I assume so but if not then have Blackwing lift the bag out of the eye's range, dump the lizard, then dodge the T-Rex when it slams into the ground.

edit: Or throw the bag but Roy would probably be best for that.

Edited by Kostya on Jul 8th 2021 at 8:32:56 AM

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#57973: Jul 8th 2021 at 5:41:38 AM

Except the whole floor is within range.

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#57974: Jul 8th 2021 at 6:00:34 AM

Yeah, as long as they're on ground level, magic is not an option.

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#57975: Jul 8th 2021 at 6:01:10 AM

"Summoning" Blackwing is just V remembering Blackwing exists. It's a running joke about wizard players and their familiars. It stopped being a thing after Character Development prompted V to recognize Blackwing as a living creature, not just a class feature.

Blackwing is currently outside of the true tunnel and will not be relevant to this fight.

No, Bloodfeast being mentioned does not mean they'll figure out a way to use him. Rich likes putting popular fan ideas into the story to explicitly refute them. He does this all the time.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 8th 2021 at 6:01:31 AM

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