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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12601: May 17th 2022 at 8:10:50 PM

TBF, Zuko figured it out really fast too. Remember, he never had an opportunity to actually practice it after Iroh showed him how to do it. Iroh refused to blast Zuko with lightning since it was too risky and the stormy weather didn't hit him with any lightning either.

But when Zuko's life depended on it, he was able to pull it off on the first try.

Disgusted, but not surprised
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#12602: May 17th 2022 at 9:01:44 PM

Aang took to it pretty fast too, though he already was good at waterbending.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#12603: May 17th 2022 at 9:08:16 PM

[up][up]Granted, he expend time praticing so it was a thing.

[up]Yeah but he is the avatar and this one have natural afinity with the elements.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12604: May 17th 2022 at 9:28:23 PM

Zuko only practiced the basic forms. He had no practical experience actually redirecting lightning prior to Ozai trying to fry him.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#12605: May 18th 2022 at 5:36:48 AM

And this isn't the Korra times where lightning bending is common enough to be a factory job. Azula and Iroh were the only ones left at this point to know how to use it. So Zuko still has very limited opportunities to practice it.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on May 18th 2022 at 8:37:26 AM

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clockworkboy Since: Jun, 2013
#12606: May 20th 2022 at 4:04:08 AM

You know it just crossed my mind that the Avatar world has pretty much managed to avoid any major benders vs non benders conflicts. For the most part benders and non benders seemed pretty cool with each other with one group not trying to dominate the other. I think we see more non benders in positions of political power than benders throughout the series/franchise, or maybe I'm remembering wrong.

I do remember that both the Earth king during Aang's time and the Earth Queen in Korra's time were non benders and it makes me wonder how many earth bender politicians there are. Or maybe "earth bender politician" is an oxymoron since majority of the earth benders we see (and other benders for that matter) are out an about in the world either fighting or teaching.

Edited by clockworkboy on May 20th 2022 at 4:04:55 AM

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indigoJay from The Astral Plane Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#12607: May 20th 2022 at 8:20:13 AM

[up] Have you watched Korra? The entire first season covers a benders vs. non-benders conflict.

I think positions of power are about evenly split. The original show has non-benders heading the Water Tribes and Earth Kingdom, but that doesn't mean non-benders straightforwardly occupy more positions of power. The Dai Li, composed of benders, effectively controls the Earth Kingdom. The Southern Water Tribe is only led by non-benders because...well...there aren't really any benders around in the first place. The Fire Nation, on the other hand, is completely run by benders. The Air Nomads obviously don't exist anymore, but it seems that they were led by benders when they were around.

Korra is a bit different. The council is mostly made up of benders in the beginning, but non-benders gain a lot more power as the series progresses.

I remember reading that Szeto, the fire avatar before Roku, spent most of his life as a politician and diplomat.

Edited by indigoJay on May 20th 2022 at 11:28:26 AM

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.
Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#12608: May 20th 2022 at 1:58:02 PM

[up] Weren't all of the Air Nomads benders?

Geez, imagine how dangerous it would be to be an Air Nomad and not be a bender...

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#12609: May 20th 2022 at 2:08:26 PM

Air Nomads where indeed all Airbenders according to series lore.

I am glad that the Avatar Studios productions are going to be focusing in earlier eras then Korra's. The wuxia-ness of Avatar was a big part of the appeal for me.

CheapMarzipan A Low Cost Confection Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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#12610: May 20th 2022 at 3:51:50 PM

The opposite for me. Seeing how the Avatarverse developed was big part of the appeal of Lo K and I'd like to see how things progress even further, especially with the Spirit Portals now open. Maybe the next Avatar lives in a sort of Solar Punk setting (to contrast with Lo K's Diesel Punk and ATLA's Steampunk)?

Also, I still want to see what the Fire Nation was like in Korra's time. It was the only part of the world we never got to see!

dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12611: May 20th 2022 at 4:22:24 PM

I’m open to both, on. One hand there’s 10,000 years in-universe worth of stories and lore that hasn’t been explored before Aang’s time, but I’m also really intrigued by the potential Science vs. Magic or straight up Magitek conflicts that could happen after Korra’s time.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#12612: May 20th 2022 at 4:43:35 PM

Has anybody invented flamethrowers yet?

Handheld Water Propulsion Units, hitting with the force of a charging elephant?

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#12613: May 20th 2022 at 4:45:59 PM

Strapping yourself to a tank full of a material that can be controlled by an opposing bender seems dangerous.

[down]If they can control water inside a living thing then I’m sure they can control water inside a non-living container.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on May 20th 2022 at 4:50:58 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#12614: May 20th 2022 at 4:47:15 PM

[up]Can they control the element in a container?

I also wasn't thinking it'd be used against Water Benders so much as used by Water Benders.

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#12615: May 20th 2022 at 5:38:52 PM

[up][up]But isn't blood-bending also supposed to be a incredibly advanced off-shoot of Waterbending, even requiring a full moon to boost you?

Fire Nation landmines, Water Bending snipers, Earth Nation oxygen tanks for burial underground to make unstoppable ambushes...

That's the new ground, combining the modernization of warfare with the combined arms of element bending.

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#12616: May 20th 2022 at 8:04:32 PM

I mean by Korra’s time you have airships, motor vehicles, and Humongous Mecha. So it would be cool to see where they go from there a generation ahead.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#12617: May 20th 2022 at 9:14:01 PM

Thing is, most arms development is in the direction of not needing Bending to work. After all, this was all kicked off by the Equalists. The only new weapon in Korra that explicitly relies on Bending too is the Colossus.

And it makes sense that most of the new weapons wouldn't need Bending. You want weapons that everyone in your army can use, not just the superpowered ones.

That said, I've already mentioned before that my guess is that the new arms race will revolve around Spirit power. The endgame of Korra already hinted at this with the Spirit Vine Cannons. And the sequel comics had an antagonist who was mutated and empowered by a Spirit attacking him. It's not a stretch of the imagination that people might start seeing the potential of Spirit power for new weapons.

Edited by M84 on May 21st 2022 at 12:17:47 AM

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gc10 Human Bean from Pastastastan Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Human Bean
#12618: Jun 8th 2022 at 12:43:48 PM

Hot take: "The Southern Raiders" should have taken place before the "The Boiling Rock". Because as it is, it absolutely makes no sense that Katara still doesn't trust Zuko after he went to great lengths to save her father. Either that, or the dynamic between Katara and Zuko should have been done differently.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#12619: Jun 8th 2022 at 12:48:04 PM

That seems like a pretty basic opinion that most people who paid attention would probably agree with...

It would however end up coming 2 episodes after he joins the group, so that wouldn't really work structurally.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#12620: Jun 8th 2022 at 12:48:50 PM

Katara being able to hold a hell of a grudge because of the emotional toll something took on her is a feature not a bug. [lol]

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
gc10 Human Bean from Pastastastan Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#12622: Jun 8th 2022 at 1:50:32 PM

[up][up][up]I honestly never read it expressed aloud by anyone else before.

Edited by gc10 on Jun 8th 2022 at 7:34:12 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#12623: Jun 8th 2022 at 2:47:13 PM

It’s also not supposed to be rational. Emotions rarely are.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#12624: Jun 8th 2022 at 4:00:41 PM

[up][up] Its a very consistent part of her character in fact, we had seen it with Jet and Hakoda as well.

Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#12625: Jun 8th 2022 at 4:15:06 PM

I always liked it that she admitted to Hakoda that she knew she was being unfair, but that she couldn't help how she felt.

Edited by Robbery on Jun 8th 2022 at 4:15:27 AM


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