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TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Mar 9th 2020 at 7:35:55 AM

I feel like such an Avatar would make the Past Life Avatars work overtime.

  • Avatar: Screw these people. They never cared about me before I was the Avatar. Why should I care about them now?
  • Korra: Because....
  • Avatar: Well?!
  • Korra: Give me a moment. I'm used to punching my problems away.
  • Avatar: I knew it! The Avatar is a systemic symbol of oppression, using violence to keep the masses in line!
  • Korra: What.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 9th 2020 at 8:39:40 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Blueace Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Mar 9th 2020 at 7:37:37 AM

And that Avatar would only have Korra to work with barring a forced trip to the spirit world or something.

The big question is what would being the Avatar mean on a world 80-90 years after Korra's adventures. People would have to learn how to deal with spirits already, and the nations are changing.

Edited by Blueace on Mar 9th 2020 at 11:41:56 AM

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Mar 9th 2020 at 7:43:42 AM

Bonus points if they get to talk to Aang at one point, but it's actually just Korra with a skin cap and a fake beard glued on.

How she accomplished this as a reflective memory of a person is never explained.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Mar 9th 2020 at 8:47:01 AM

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
Mar 9th 2020 at 8:26:34 AM

Spirit woowoo magic.

Mar 9th 2020 at 8:27:02 AM

I always liked how "Bitter Work" pairs with "The Avatar and the Firelord" in that it depicts Aang's struggles with earthbending and Roku's training in all four elements, Roku even says that his training in waterbending was "bitter work." In order to master the bending of the elements you had to understand and comprehend the societal mindset of the four nations, it's extremely difficult to do that and not assimilate the positive aspects of each one. When Sozin starts his war of conquest, Roku knows and loves the people of the Earth kingdom so of course he would oppose that.

Which is interesting because, for better or worse, this makes Korra very unique. She never really got to travel around to experience the four nations like Roku or Aang, getting a very weird cliffnotes version of Avatar teachings.

Instead, she learns different ideologies and worldviews from the villains she faces. Zaheer was big on freedom which lead to shift in world powers, Unalaq’s obsessive spirituality and Harmonic Convergence lead to change, and Kuvira was big on the persistence and unity. The only one that was missing was fire.

Also, I’m gonna go on a limb here and say Korra would offer great advice to her successor. Sure, Book 1 and 2 Korra is famous for punching her problems away but her entire arc is her learning to be much more patient and empathetic. She counsels multiple people throughout the show like Daw, Tenzin, Kuvira, etc. Not to mention, she accomplishes so much by the time she’s 20 so depending on her lifespan she’ll probably have loads of experience to offer.

Weirdguy149 The sleeping royal from Galar Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The sleeping royal
Mar 9th 2020 at 8:28:13 AM

I feel like Earth Kingdom Avatar would be a more stoic version of Zuko due to a rough life in what used to be the Earth Kingdom.

I say, fitting time for a nap, eh what?
Mar 11th 2020 at 2:41:34 AM

First time watching Avatar: edgy scarboy is my fave. ;)

Rewatching Avatar: Zuko didn't deserve Iroh in his life, none of us did! He's too good for us!

M84 Light our darkest hour! from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Light our darkest hour!
Mar 11th 2020 at 2:44:38 AM

The first time you see Zuko he just looks so ridiculous with that helmet and uniform and the way he walks. He looks like a kid trying to look tough and intimidating.

Then you realize that's completely intentional on the creators' part. He really is just a kid trying to act tough because of his toxic upbringing and culture.

Edited by M84 on Mar 11th 2020 at 5:46:15 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mar 11th 2020 at 3:12:48 AM

Don't get me wrong, I liked Zuko not for being so cool and badass, but because he was technically a villain but he very likable and he had many humorous scenes that kept him relatable and tense scenes where you would root for him and be more curious what happens to him next that what will happen to Team Avatar.

But in the end, Iroh is the best. Main reasons are

a) He's kind. He was always a nice guy despite coming from a family of psychos and tragedy in his life only made him a kinder man. On the rewatch, you really realize that he never had to leave Fire Nation with Zuko in pointless search of Avatar.

b) He's a hedonist and it's not portrayed as a bad thing. Most of his family is destroyed by their higher, more complex goals like lust for power or desire to restore their honor. But Iroh just enjoys life, every single aspect of it, no matter how good or bad is his current situation. A nice game of Pai Cho, a cup of tea, a good nap, buying souvenirs, pretty ladies, meeting new people. Each day is just great and he's at peace and he wants that for everyone. Now that's an ideal to strive for.

M84 Light our darkest hour! from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Light our darkest hour!
Mar 11th 2020 at 3:34:32 AM

It's worth noting that while Iroh was always nice and friendly to his family and friends, he was a supporter of the Fire Nation's colonialism. He only changed after losing his son Lu Ten, going to the Spirit Realm, and encountering the last dragons and the Sun Warriors.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Mar 11th 2020 at 3:41:48 AM

Yeah, I mentioned that he became kinder man. Which is notable, because most people use tragedies as an excuse to be bitter and harsh. He could easily start hating all of Earth Kingdom for what they did to his son.

On the side-note, my favorite side-character in Korra is Pema. There we have all these characters with their quirky personalities, deep tragic backstories and protagonist good looks and then there is Pema, just being so real. It's great.

BrightLight Throwing your helmet is faster than reloading. from The Southern Water Tribe
Throwing your helmet is faster than reloading.
Mar 11th 2020 at 9:01:29 AM

I think the trope that applies to Pema is The Everyman.

I think.

And yes, that's such a great trope.

TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Mar 11th 2020 at 9:55:37 AM

It's worth noting that while Iroh was always nice and friendly to his family and friends, he was a supporter of the Fire Nation's colonialism. He only changed after losing his son Lu Ten, going to the Spirit Realm, and encountering the last dragons and the Sun Warriors.

Indeed. Iroh is a bit of a complex character in that regard. He's a reformed ex-villain, but all the Character Development that led to his reformation happened offscreen long before the story ever began.

He is very much an old man, trying to share with his cocksure nephew the fruits of wisdom he acquired the hard way over the course of his very long life, in the hopes of preventing his nephew from making the same mistakes.

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
slimcoder Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Mar 11th 2020 at 11:46:12 AM

[up][up] The Everyman is a tricky trope.

Cause if used incorrectly you just have someone who’s ungodly boring & dull instead of an average joe.

Can you see all of me? Walk into my mystery. Do you remember me? Capture you or set you free I am all. I am all... I am all of me
TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
Mar 11th 2020 at 12:33:51 PM

That is often the case with The Everyman, ever since Hollywood decided that every single protagonist in every action film ever must be that trope.

I think we're moving away from that now, though?

Drake's Razor: Never attribute to cold unfeeling logic that which can be equally explained by emotional outburst.
slimcoder Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Mar 11th 2020 at 12:45:35 PM

Depends on what you mean.

Do you mean like we're getting more interesting protagonists on average?

Can you see all of me? Walk into my mystery. Do you remember me? Capture you or set you free I am all. I am all... I am all of me
Ultimatum ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
BrightLight Throwing your helmet is faster than reloading. from The Southern Water Tribe
Throwing your helmet is faster than reloading.
Mar 11th 2020 at 9:28:09 PM

That is often the case with The Everyman, ever since Hollywood decided that every single protagonist in every action film ever must be that trope.

Since when? Action protagonists are frequently portrayed as way, way above average.

Weirdguy149 The sleeping royal from Galar Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The sleeping royal
Mar 11th 2020 at 9:37:03 PM

They do badass things but are all rather similar-looking muscular dudes, resulting in a lot of samey action movie heroes.

I say, fitting time for a nap, eh what?
BrightLight Throwing your helmet is faster than reloading. from The Southern Water Tribe
Throwing your helmet is faster than reloading.
Mar 12th 2020 at 12:13:56 AM

I'm pretty sure being The Everyman means that you're just average with nothing outstandingly intriguing about you.

Even packing some muscles would discount a character from the trope. Significant strength is a trait that would elude even The Everyman. An everyman in an action movie would not even be action-oriented, because after all, which one of us is ready for hardcore adrenaline junkie action on a regular basis?

To further clarify, Pema can be classified as an everywoman because she's just a normal woman dealing with all of these... shenanigans that happen to enter her life.

She's not trained as a combatant of any kind. She doesn't have dead parents or family members. She doesn't have abusive parents. She's not the last of her kind. She's not royalty or nobility. She's not even a bender. She's just a normal woman doing her part in life and just coping with the things that come her way.


On that note having a story about an Avatar who's The Everyman would be a breath of fresh air.

Edited by BrightLight on Mar 13th 2020 at 8:17:13 AM

slimcoder Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Mar 12th 2020 at 12:19:50 AM

She made the choice to join the Airbending culture & then marry the last Airbender with the clear knowledge that she has to provide him as many kids as she can to ya know offset the then endangerment of the Airbenders.

But seriously its funny. She married the son of the Avatar which obviously brings in a whole set of new wackiness to her life. Whatever frustrations with the chaos that is her life, she has to live with it cause it was her choice & it alone. [lol]

[up] How would that be a breath of fresh air? This isn't exactly a normal setting.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 12th 2020 at 12:21:32 PM

Can you see all of me? Walk into my mystery. Do you remember me? Capture you or set you free I am all. I am all... I am all of me
M84 Light our darkest hour! from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Light our darkest hour!
Mar 12th 2020 at 12:21:05 AM

[up][up]Being the Avatar kind of makes you not an Everyman by default.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Black-Hearted Evil or Brave-Hearted Hero
Mar 12th 2020 at 12:27:24 AM

Like on further thought I think an everyman Avatar story would be about focusing on the companion of an Avatar than the Avatar itself.

Even then we then have to define what is an everyman here. What is their relationship with the Avatar, are they just a random tag-along, someone inherently unimportant? Would being a bender disqualify them from being an everyman despite benders are considered the norm here?

Can you see all of me? Walk into my mystery. Do you remember me? Capture you or set you free I am all. I am all... I am all of me
M84 Light our darkest hour! from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Light our darkest hour!
Mar 12th 2020 at 12:29:24 AM

So an Avatar story where Sokka is the protagonist? And yes, as a trained warrior Sokka maybe doesn't qualify as an Everyman.

Edited by M84 on Mar 13th 2020 at 3:30:03 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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