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Also, since the Zetsus aren't human, their emotions may be fundamentally different from those of humans.
Blame Madara for giving his creations emotions. That never pans out well for anyone.
Also, why wasn't Naruto able to sense the hate in the Muu clone?
edited 5th Oct '11 10:46:51 AM by Cruherrx
I just realized some Fridge Brilliance. The Zetsu are made from a portion of the Juubi's chakra. Of course they would gigantic amounts of hate compared to the regular person.
@Cruherxx Because Muu is a pretty calm guy. He seemed to want to help them and so he lacked hatred. Muu looks like the kind of guy whose motto seems to be " Shit Happens. Deal with it."
edited 5th Oct '11 10:54:50 AM by Vanitas
They were created from Hashirama's cells but grown by Tailed Beast chakra. They should have chakra similar to that of Hashirama since the cells are responsible for chakra.
@wanderlust, I ran your post by some users on a site I'm a mod at and I got an interesting response to your points. I can post it if you'd like.
Sure, why not.
That Tailed Beast Chakra probably has more influence over Zetsu than that.
I'm imagining all the Zetsu going into Tailed Beast Modes now.
@Cruherxx The fact that you're a mod is suprising.
10 tails. Unless Madara took some at some point not mentioned yet, he hasn't had his hands on 9 tails chakra until after the war started.
I've never been a mod on another forum. Every now and then, it's fun to poke fun at each other. Cru just seems to invite that a lot. And it's probably an Uchihate forum.
As a mod I have to be the voice of reason so I vent my Uchihate here.
@Wanderlust, here you go:
2: I agree that most of the alliance shinobi are useless save for a few that have really shined. I canít argue with that there. Lol.
A: Remember, when a Zetsu absorbs someoneís chakra, they are able to replicate that personís identity perfectly, from their chakra nature, to their physical appearance and their voices, etc. That means not even a sensor type would be able to tell the difference. Even if the sensor network were to try to pick them out, weíve already seen that most shinobi need a sensor shinobi to assist them in linking to that network (like how Naruto was helped by rubber man to contact Bee). In this particular situation, anyone approaching a sensor type ninja could be considered a major threat. Also, it stands to reason the Zetsuís would prioritize attacks on sensor types in each squadron first in order to break up the alliances coordination, so putting them at risk wouldnít be a wise strategy.
B: My belief is that the sensors at HQ lock onto each shinobiís unique chakra signature to identify and communicate with them (when they are not assisted by another sensor type on the battlefield). Now that so many shinobi have identical signatures, that isnít possible anymore. Also, as Shikamaru said, if the enemy has info on any of them they can still fool any form of interrogation.
C: Mind reading skills like those the Yamanaka use, which could actually help in this situation, require direct physical contact with the victim, which, again, puts the user in danger of an assassination attempt and is too risky to be practical in this situation where so many people are involved. Conversely, if Ino used mind/body switch, she would essentially be an open and defenseless target that anyone could kill with little effort.
D: If Zetsuís can replicate a person in every way, up to all their physical characteristics and even their chakra nature, then I assume they will have the same scent as the replicated person as well. You donít think Madara would base his entire plan around this type of surprise tactic if he knew that all it would take to ruin his plans was a few ninja hounds or Inuzuka, do you?
E: Medics are rare as it is and there are already too few to go around. We learned from Tsunadeís backstory already how few there are relative to other ninja types and how vital they are to a war effort. You canít just throw a med nin away with a gamble like that, trying to heal the bad guys.
F: They never said Temari was the only wind user. Just that she was the strongest one there at the time. And even when Naruto did arrive, even his attacks werenít sufficient, so you canít really say it was only incompetence in that case. Narutoís advantage was that he was able to communicate with the Hachibi, which no-one else would have known about, so he was able to learn the Raikageís weakness that only the Hachibi could have provided a clue towards. Had Temari and Rubberman known that vital piece of information, they may have also been able to come up with a better plan to take the Raikage down. Everyone else was still useless though, so I canít argue there.
Those are some good points, kudos to that guy for putting that all down in a sensible fasion.
That's the main reason that guy and I get in to so many heated debates lawl
Quite. Tell him the response was much appreciated, please.
Also, remind him that that was just stuff off the top of my head, if absolutely no one else was of any use.
When I heard wanderlust's little speech got interesting responses on a forum Cru of all people runs, I can't say I expected to see that said response was disagreeing with him.
But yeah, I agree with what was said.
Hey, I can't be right all the time. Especially not when I'm just thinking up shit away from a computer.
And we all should've known I'd made a mistake when I started with the assumption that Ino would be worth something.
That place is like work; I have to be calm and be the voice of reason. You guys are like my drinking buddies; I can bitch all day long.
You should have that quote on your page.
edited 5th Oct '11 3:16:42 PM by Vyctorian
I guess that would make me the kind of DD that smugly snarks in the corner, but once you get them going can be just as bad?
I don't drink, rare for a 22 year old in Texas, but I can act a drunk in the right company. It's infectious.
edited 5th Oct '11 4:56:17 PM by wanderlustwarrior
I do not drink either (23 years old here), and hey man, you are from Texas!! I am too!!
edited 5th Oct '11 5:07:55 PM by Galeros
A lot of us are. More specifically, a lot are in or around DFW.
What say we all go egg Fast Eddie's house?
edited 5th Oct '11 5:13:00 PM by wanderlustwarrior
Fast Eddie lives in the Bahamas...
Uh..we should not egg his house because I do not think any of us want to get banned.
edited 5th Oct '11 5:16:14 PM by Galeros
The shortlived occasions on which this thread has more posts than the Bleach one are always due to interesting derails.
@Cru: It's always been fun to poke fun, but I think within the last 24 hours, this fun poking has clearly cemented into this thread being Vitriolic Best Buds. If not then, then definitely with that post.
You're right. "Let's go egg Fast Eddie's house" is dangerously close to a stock phrase. I suuuuuuuuuuuuure hope he's got a sense of humor if he sees this.
edited 5th Oct '11 5:21:09 PM by wanderlustwarrior
Man, I'm stuck here in New York. At least I'm by NYC. Now I just have to get into New York Comic Con and I can play Skyward Sword! Anyone want to come and help?
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