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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#3176: May 19th 2010 at 8:18:32 PM

@Grahf: Yeah, that "You may even be why I got this far" bit was really the best part for me.

@Marq FJA: Pretty sure he means that's what the entire training is, and it starts now.

Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
Moar and Moar and Moar
#3177: May 19th 2010 at 8:38:18 PM

Yeah.

That's actually one of the best treatments of that particular trope that I've seen. Bravo I say. Bravo.

Democracy is the process in which we determine the government that we deserve
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3178: May 19th 2010 at 10:12:09 PM

Woo! I was hopeful upon reading the spoilers, but the chapter was better than i expected it to be. The fact that he actually thanked his dark side for getting him that far was brilliant.

Though now we seem to be heading into a more standard Training from Hell sequence. I can handle that, I guess.

AsTheAnointed Since: Jan, 2010
#3179: May 19th 2010 at 11:30:32 PM

I found that chapter oddly heartwarming.

WorstUsernameEver BEST Coffee Ever from Italy.. maybe. Since: May, 2010
BEST Coffee Ever
#3180: May 19th 2010 at 11:50:52 PM

This chapter was actually nicer than I expected. Especially the Bee-Naruto interaction were unexpectedly fun.

I'm not a bug, I'm a feature!
PippingFool Eclipse the Moon from A Floridian Prison Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Eclipse the Moon
#3181: May 20th 2010 at 12:14:12 AM

NOW FOR AN 80's TRAINING MONTAGE!

(Eye of the Tiger plays in the background)

I'm having to learn to pay the price
Matic Since: Feb, 2010
#3182: May 20th 2010 at 12:31:25 AM

Either that or ROCKS. I always thought that song would fit an 80s montage.

edited 20th May '10 12:33:04 AM by Matic

WorstUsernameEver BEST Coffee Ever from Italy.. maybe. Since: May, 2010
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#3183: May 20th 2010 at 1:15:23 AM

^^Eye of the Fox?

I'm not a bug, I'm a feature!
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#3184: May 20th 2010 at 2:28:58 AM

Okay, read the spoilers, and I gotta ask: is it true that Naruto just made his own evil side pull a Heel–Face Turn? Cause that might make him the Most Triumphant Example of The Paragon Talking the Monster to Death.

edited 20th May '10 2:33:07 AM by RavenWilder

RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#3185: May 20th 2010 at 2:31:19 AM

He conquered it with love.

Do you think Hichigo could get the same, or is he too much of a psycho?

'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?
Demongodofchaos Dur hur, I'm a Bad Troll from My house Since: Feb, 2010
Dur hur, I'm a Bad Troll
#3186: May 20th 2010 at 4:32:12 AM

Tch, the Guys On Leafninja.com are still calling bullshit like they do with every chapter nowadays.

EDIT: And they are Bitching about it again. What a bunch of idiots.

edited 20th May '10 9:03:50 AM by Demongodofchaos

Since when were you under the impression that I was Aizen?
Pseudonym I like it here. from The Keebler Tree Since: Jun, 2009
I like it here.
#3187: May 20th 2010 at 1:39:23 PM

That chapter was odd. I like how Naruto deals with his hatred of everything, just gets past it.

"It's too early to celebrate now, mothafucka" Oh Bee, you're such a card.

<(-_-<)(>-_-)> "FUSION HA"
WorstUsernameEver BEST Coffee Ever from Italy.. maybe. Since: May, 2010
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#3188: May 20th 2010 at 1:44:59 PM

@Demongodofchaos : It's the Naruto fandom what did you expect?

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Demongodofchaos Dur hur, I'm a Bad Troll from My house Since: Feb, 2010
Dur hur, I'm a Bad Troll
#3189: May 20th 2010 at 1:59:11 PM

Ture That, always complaining and never being satisfied with what they get. One of the worst fanbases in existence. I'm glad I'm not part of it, and like most the series I read and only utlize Memes that the fanbases make up and none of the stupidity of them either.

Since when were you under the impression that I was Aizen?
KSPAM PARTY PARTY PARTY I WANNA HAVE A PARTY from PARTY ROCK Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#3190: May 20th 2010 at 2:25:10 PM

@Raw: Way, way, way too psycho for that. To him, a hug is just another opportunity to shiv you.

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#3191: May 20th 2010 at 2:31:58 PM

@Raw Power: There's also the fact that Hollow Ichigo embodies not Ichigo's hatred, but rather his killer instinct. In other words, he's basically an indiscriminate serial mass-murderer waiting to be unleashed.

edited 20th May '10 2:34:54 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#3192: May 20th 2010 at 2:34:55 PM

(about the Fandom)

Instead of just complaining about the chapter, does anyone ever ask "How would you make it better?" That could settle them down...

...if they think about it at all. wink Otherwise the topic would probably degenerate even further. I can hear them now: "My idea is better then your idea!" "Oh, yeah? Well your idea is (insert swearing and name calling)!"

Think someone should try it? evil grin

Suddenly reminded of the Twilight thread. Someone tested out which got a bigger response on fan forums: a trolling statement (about how bad the books are and insulting the characters) or a logical and detailed reason for why the books are mediocre. The logic had a larger/faster response every time.

edited 20th May '10 2:35:36 PM by Belian

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#3193: May 20th 2010 at 2:40:21 PM

^Well, yeah, most people know how to ignore trolls / idiots on the internet; but somebody who's able to state their case coherently and logically deserves attention.

And I strongly encourage everyone here to stay as far away as possible from places where Hate Dumb festers, just on general principle.

SatanicHamster Moldova, never change. Since: Jan, 2001
Moldova, never change.
#3194: May 20th 2010 at 3:58:02 PM

I think it might help to mention which sites tend to have a lot Fan Dumb.

Demongodofchaos Dur hur, I'm a Bad Troll from My house Since: Feb, 2010
Dur hur, I'm a Bad Troll
#3195: May 20th 2010 at 3:58:21 PM

I just go to Leafninja because its fun to laugh at the Fan Dumb. And the fact that it detaisl the ninja world greatly outside the forums.

Since when were you under the impression that I was Aizen?
silver2195 Since: Jan, 2001
#3196: May 20th 2010 at 5:36:57 PM

I'm mentioned this already, but the Arlong Park forums have plenty of One Piece Fan Dumb as well as Naruto Hate Dumb.

Currently taking a break from the site. See my user page for more information.
WorstUsernameEver BEST Coffee Ever from Italy.. maybe. Since: May, 2010
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#3197: May 20th 2010 at 11:16:09 PM

Well, criticism is ok, the point is that usually the criticism to the Naruto character and Naruto manga stems from the perceived 'gay-ness', lack of 'badassery' and other mature things like that... And that's why I call them Fan Dumb. Never had anything to do with the One Piece Fan Dumb fortunately though if there's one thing I know well it's that One Piece fans are... defensive. A lot. Anyway, maybe it's better to return IT and discuss the chapter. Will Naruto drop its dattebayo? Will he start rapping instead? Let's hope he won't.

I'm not a bug, I'm a feature!
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#3198: May 21st 2010 at 12:28:10 AM

(I mentioned this in the elimination game, but oh-well. Sort of fits with the conversation)

Do you read One Piece as well? If so, you can understand why they are defensive when comparing it to Bleach and Naruto. Out of those three it is the best (I read all three and can give logical arguments as to why).

There are probably active members of the One Piece fandom who don't even look at the other two. They are just Complaining About Manga You Have Not Read and should be ignored. Others have and just assume that if One Piece is the best of the Big 3 it is the best manga period. They Did Not Do The Research and should also be ignored. If a person has read all three, compared it to other manga, and still think it is the best manga out there; you should at least pay attention to what they are saying even if you disagree.

My point is this: Does it deserve all of the hype it gets? Probably not. Is there a lot of Fan Dumb involved with One Piece? Yes. Are there reasons for both of these to occur? DEFINITELY. So don't judge One Piece by the amount of Fan Dumb that surrounds it

(note that the above statements are valid for all of the Big 3 as well as Negima, EVA, TTGL.... As for why I did this little rant argument: I am still a little annoyed that the Big 3 were knocked out so quickly, particularly One Piece.)

Anyway, back to Naruto: I agree with you about the dattebayo and Rapping. I hope it does not come to that.

edited 21st May '10 12:32:02 AM by Belian

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!
WorstUsernameEver BEST Coffee Ever from Italy.. maybe. Since: May, 2010
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#3199: May 21st 2010 at 12:51:13 AM

^See? This is an example of defensiveness. I never said ANYTHING AT ALL about One Piece here, just talked about the usual response I get from the fans as long as I say something as moderately not-positive as 'I didn't like this or that' or only simply 'Meh, I don't like One Piece'. And guess what? I understand the appeal of One Piece. It's a fun manga, it's definitely the most consistent among the big three, and has a unique style and vibe. Doesn't mean its fans should shove it down my throat though.

I'm not a bug, I'm a feature!
Belian In honor of my 50lb pup from 42 Since: Jan, 2001
In honor of my 50lb pup
#3200: May 21st 2010 at 1:56:42 AM

Guess us non-Fan Dumb fans are so used trying to get good information/opinions past the actual Fan Dumb fans that it has become a defense response. Sorry about taking just a part of your comment and replying with all that.

In my defense (there is that word again tongue), I was mostly trying to stop some of the unreasonable hate for One Piece and One Piece fans before it got started while also trying to point out that some other fandoms are just as bad. Or, if it's reasonable hate, try and stop it from inter-fearing with reasonable oppinions.

...Now that I think about it again, the whole thing sort of pointless in this forum. Can I blame it on the fact I should have gone to bed some time before I wrote that?

Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!

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