Woo! I was hopeful upon reading the spoilers, but the chapter was better than i expected it to be. The fact that he actually thanked his dark side for getting him that far was brilliant.
Though now we seem to be heading into a more standard Training from Hell sequence. I can handle that, I guess.
Okay, read the spoilers, and I gotta ask: is it true that Naruto just made his own evil side pull a Heel–Face Turn? Cause that might make him the Most Triumphant Example of The Paragon Talking the Monster to Death.
edited 20th May '10 2:33:07 AM by RavenWilder
He conquered it with love.
Do you think Hichigo could get the same, or is he too much of a psycho?
'''YOU SEE THIS DOG I'M PETTING? THAT WAS COURAGE WOLF.Cute, isn't he?Ture That, always complaining and never being satisfied with what they get. One of the worst fanbases in existence. I'm glad I'm not part of it, and like most the series I read and only utlize Memes that the fanbases make up and none of the stupidity of them either.
Since when were you under the impression that I was Aizen?@Raw: Way, way, way too psycho for that. To him, a hug is just another opportunity to shiv you.
I've got new mythological machinery, and very handsome supernatural scenery. Goodfae: a mafia web serial@Raw Power: There's also the fact that Hollow Ichigo embodies not Ichigo's hatred, but rather his killer instinct. In other words, he's basically an indiscriminate serial mass-murderer waiting to be unleashed.
edited 20th May '10 2:34:54 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.(about the Fandom)
Instead of just complaining about the chapter, does anyone ever ask "How would you make it better?" That could settle them down...
...if they think about it at all.
Otherwise the topic would probably degenerate even further. I can hear them now: "My idea is better then your idea!" "Oh, yeah? Well your idea is (insert swearing and name calling)!"
Think someone should try it?
Suddenly reminded of the Twilight thread. Someone tested out which got a bigger response on fan forums: a trolling statement (about how bad the books are and insulting the characters) or a logical and detailed reason for why the books are mediocre. The logic had a larger/faster response every time.
edited 20th May '10 2:35:36 PM by Belian
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!^Well, yeah, most people know how to ignore trolls / idiots on the internet; but somebody who's able to state their case coherently and logically deserves attention.
And I strongly encourage everyone here to stay as far away as possible from places where Hate Dumb festers, just on general principle.
I think it might help to mention which sites tend to have a lot Fan Dumb.
Well, criticism is ok, the point is that usually the criticism to the Naruto character and Naruto manga stems from the perceived 'gay-ness', lack of 'badassery' and other mature things like that... And that's why I call them Fan Dumb. Never had anything to do with the One Piece Fan Dumb fortunately though if there's one thing I know well it's that One Piece fans are... defensive. A lot. Anyway, maybe it's better to return IT and discuss the chapter. Will Naruto drop its dattebayo? Will he start rapping instead? Let's hope he won't.
I'm not a bug, I'm a feature!(I mentioned this in the elimination game, but oh-well. Sort of fits with the conversation)
Do you read One Piece as well? If so, you can understand why they are defensive when comparing it to Bleach and Naruto. Out of those three it is the best (I read all three and can give logical arguments as to why).
There are probably active members of the One Piece fandom who don't even look at the other two. They are just Complaining About Manga You Have Not Read and should be ignored. Others have and just assume that if One Piece is the best of the Big 3 it is the best manga period. They Did Not Do The Research and should also be ignored. If a person has read all three, compared it to other manga, and still think it is the best manga out there; you should at least pay attention to what they are saying even if you disagree.
My point is this: Does it deserve all of the hype it gets? Probably not. Is there a lot of Fan Dumb involved with One Piece? Yes. Are there reasons for both of these to occur? DEFINITELY. So don't judge One Piece by the amount of Fan Dumb that surrounds it
(note that the above statements are valid for all of the Big 3 as well as Negima, EVA, TTGL.... As for why I did this little rant argument: I am still a little annoyed that the Big 3 were knocked out so quickly, particularly One Piece.)
Anyway, back to Naruto: I agree with you about the dattebayo and Rapping. I hope it does not come to that.
edited 21st May '10 12:32:02 AM by Belian
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!^See? This is an example of defensiveness. I never said ANYTHING AT ALL about One Piece here, just talked about the usual response I get from the fans as long as I say something as moderately not-positive as 'I didn't like this or that' or only simply 'Meh, I don't like One Piece'. And guess what? I understand the appeal of One Piece. It's a fun manga, it's definitely the most consistent among the big three, and has a unique style and vibe. Doesn't mean its fans should shove it down my throat though.
I'm not a bug, I'm a feature!Guess us non-Fan Dumb fans are so used trying to get good information/opinions past the actual Fan Dumb fans that it has become a defense response. Sorry about taking just a part of your comment and replying with all that.
In my defense (there is that word again
), I was mostly trying to stop some of the unreasonable hate for One Piece and One Piece fans before it got started while also trying to point out that some other fandoms are just as bad. Or, if it's reasonable hate, try and stop it from inter-fearing with reasonable oppinions.
...Now that I think about it again, the whole thing sort of pointless in this forum. Can I blame it on the fact I should have gone to bed some time before I wrote that?
Yu hav nat sein bod speeling unntil know. (cacke four undersandig tis)the cake is a lie!

@Grahf: Yeah, that "You may even be why I got this far" bit was really the best part for me.
@Marq FJA: Pretty sure he means that's what the entire training is, and it starts now.