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  • Acceptable Targets:
    • Dan Brown is viewed as a bit of a hack by both Joe and Beck, to the point where someone buying one of his books grabs another book to hide that they bought Brown's book, which they compare to buying a newspaper with a porn magazine.
    • New York hipsters are all depicted as upper-class narcissists coasting by on privilege and contributing little of value.
    • People who live in LA generally, especially if they're involved in the wellness or film industries. They range from abusive - Henderson, Love and Forty's parents - to relentless opportunists (Ellie) - to murderers (Love). Also, everybody in LA will be an irritating Soapbox Sadie, and an annoying bore.
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    • Though multiple political viewpoints earn Joe's disdain, he's disgusted when he learns Henderson is a registered Libertarian.
  • Adorkable: Joe. If he were sane, he'd be a straight example of this trope.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation:
    • Some have interpreted Forty's over-friendliness to "Will"/Joe as a crush. It helps that Forty is somewhat aware of Joe's inner monologue and even calls attention to it.
    • Forty and Love's relationship is just a bit too close for comfort, with some viewers wondering if they're flirting with incest. Some have also wondered if Love murdered Forty's au pair less out of protectiveness and more because she was jealous.
  • Awesome Moments: In Episode 10 Beck's speech towards Joe, calling him out on his actions he believes he acted out of love for her.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment:
    • Joe getting his finger cut off by the guy to which original!Will owed money. It's extremely sudden, has negligible impact on the plot (except that Joe can't make his first date with Love), marks a massive tonal shift, and yet is almost instantly resolved with Jasper's death.
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    • Also later in Season 2, Joe breaks into Candace's apartment with duct tape and weapons, planning to kill her. He gets knocked out by her Action Girl landlady, Amanda, in a bizarre cameo from Madeline Zima. She hog-ties him on the floor and verbally assaults him for being creepy, but Joe figures out she's into BDSM and pleads that he was only trying to do the same to his girlfriend, "Amy". Despite the fact that Joe just broke in, has weapons, and Amanda seems more than a little unstable, she lets him go. This doesn't progress the plot at all, is a very strange and sudden tonal shift, and is never mentioned again once it occurs. That's all we see of Amanda.
  • Catharsis Factor: Despite how crazy Joe is, seeing the utterly abusive and cruel Ron get stabbed in the neck by him at the end of Season 1 is nothing but an utter relief.
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  • Complete Monster: Joshua "Henderson" Bunter, from season 2, is a Serial Rapist who uses his status as a famous stand-up comedian to gain the trust of adolescent girls, before taking them to his home, where he would then drug them before raping them while they are unconscious. He would also take photos of his victims, revealing to have claimed many victims through the number of pictures he had. Henderson had also raped Joe Goldberg's neighbor, Delilah Alves, and attempted to rape Delilah's younger sister, Ellie, after drugging her.
  • Crosses the Line Twice:
    • The season 1 finale ends on a low note, with Joe murdering Beck and receiving no comeuppance. He mourns her in his usual twisted, possessive way, right up until he sees another pretty face walk in, at which point he immediately forgets Beck.
    • Love reads Beck's memoir after figuring out that she was murdered by Joe. Ultimately Love concluded that Beck was a bore who didn't deserve Joe. The melodramatic way Love narrates this to Joe makes for some good black comedy.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: The fact that Joe is a serial killer who ended Season 1 victorious has lead a lot of people to believe that, ultimately, Joe will come out on top and not being punished for his crimes; indeed, a lot of people don't want him to.
  • Designated Hero: One of the arguments leveled at Season 2's twist that Love is also a murderer is that it makes Joe into one of these, making his terrible crimes (such as murdering Beck, Peach, and Benji, and kidnapping and imprisoning Delilah and Will) seem "less bad" by comparison.
  • Designated Villain: Also related to the above, but Love. While she is certainly a villain, this show literally has a Villain Protagonist and, unlike Peach or Beck (where we were supposed to believe that Joe was being unreasonable if he had a point), Love has more or less committed the exact same crimes as Joe for the exact same reasons.
  • Draco in Leather Pants:
    • Perhaps inevitable, since part of the creators’ intent seems to have been to deconstruct this trope. Penn Badgley is handsome enough, and gives a charismatic enough performance that a worryingly large amount of viewers (including Millie Bobby Brown) are willing to overlook the whole "misogynistic stalker and murderer" thing. (Badgley himself has expressed his bewilderment about this on social media, pointing out that his character is an absolutely loathsome human being.) Having Joe forced into a relationship with a murderer after realising the error of his ways hasn't helped matters. To its credit, Victoria Pedretti has dismissed those trying to look deeper into the phenomenon by acknowledging that most viewers are swooning over Penn Badgley, not actually Joe.
    • Peach Salinger had a lot of fans, many of whom couldn't believe Beck would consider Joe when someone like her was in the picture and wanted them together. Disregarding the fact that Peach is a toxic, abusive, manipulative friend, has been obsessing over Beck for years and photographing her without her consent, and much like Joe, wants to control her and can't stand to see her with anyone else.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse
    • Everyone loves Paco because he's Joe's Morality Pet and is just a scared kid caught in a terrible situation.
    • Ethan delivers serves as the show's comic relief and is all around a nice guy.
    • Forty Quinn, with much of the fandom affectionately dubbing him "a disaster." His backstory and current dilemma earns him a lot of sympathy, and the fact that he's a genuinely good person underneath all his dysfunctions endears him to a lot of people.
    • Ellie for similar reasons to Paco, while also putting up a tough exterior despite the crap she has to put up with.
    • The real Will Bettelheim (or “OG Will” as Joe calls him). Even though Joe kidnaps him, holds him captive, and steals his identity, he’s a genuinely Nice Guy who doesn’t hold it against him, and even offers up some helpful advice later on, good-naturedly calling Joe “Will” in reference to what happened between them. There’s also the fact that, apart from Joe himself he is thus far the only other person to survive being imprisoned in Joe’s glass box.
  • Epileptic Trees:
    • A lot of people have theorized that Joe deliberately pushed Beck onto the railroad tracks in the first episode so he could have an opportunity to save her.
    • There are a number of theories that Beck is secretly alive.
    • It's speculated that Love killed her first husband.
  • Esoteric Happy Ending: Joe has seemingly realised the error of his ways and settled down with Love to raise their unborn child. The two of them are unfeeling murderers entrusted with the well-being of a child, likely passing their warped sense of morality onto them. The final scene reveals that his stalker habits are far from cured.
  • Fanon:
    • Just about everyone agrees Forty is bi.
    • Even people who don't believe that Love killed her first husband speculate that she had at least something to do with his deteriorating health.
  • Fridge Horror: Joe taking an interest in his new neighbour when he's settled down with the equally yandere-esque Love is likely to cause this woman a kind of torment yet unseen. Joe on his own is enough to upend her world, but Love's fixation on Joe means that once she gets wind of this, she may blame the neighbour of leading Joe on and take revenge.
  • Genius Bonus: In the pilot Joe recommends Don Quixote to Paco as one of his favorite books, saying it's about "a guy who believes in chivalry so he decides to be an old-school knight." Thing is, the titular Don Quixote is an insane old man who sees himself as a hero because his worldview is so distorted, much like Joe.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: Stand-up comedian Chris D'Elia's role as Henderson, a stand-up comedian who preys on underage girls, became massively this after he was accused of preying on underage girls in real life.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: Kristen Bell voiced Princess Anna in Frozen and provided the narration for the titular blogger in Gossip Girl. Elizabeth Lail, who plays Beck, would portray Anna in Once Upon a Time and Penn Badgley, who plays Joe, previously portrayed Dan Humphrey in Gossip Girl, who turned out to be the man behind the eponymous website.
  • He's Just Hiding!: Beck has been the target of many of these theories, with lots of watchers theorizing that she's somehow still alive, as her death is never shown and we don't see the exhumed body. However, the second season dismisses this: Joe takes the cage with him to Los Angeles (meaning Beck isn't being held captive), she's only ever referred to as a murder victim, and Joe is plagued with guilt of his murder of her, which includes seeing her ghost show him bruises on her neck from where he strangled her.
  • Ho Yay:
    • Forty and Joe. Mostly from Forty's end, but Joe also more or less accepts that he's in this situation.
    • Original-Will and Joe. Original-Will seems to straight up adore him, especially after being let out of the cage.
  • Jerkass Woobie:
    • Forty is needy, obnoxious, and an overall trainwreck... but, God bless him, he genuinely means well and just wants people to like him. His messed-up background and ultimate fate just seals the deal.
    • Candace. She was abrasive and self-centered in the past, and in the present she's not above using the unstable, affection-starved Forty to get closer to Joe, but her vindictiveness is entirely justified due to what Joe did to her, and her heartbreaking trauma is evident when he physically gets too close to her at a retreat.
    • Delilah is short-tempered and her attitude towards men borders on misandry, but her history with Henderson makes this understandable and Joe sealing her fate shows that she's not exactly wrong to be wary.
  • Magnificent Bitch: Love Quinn is the daughter of a wealthy socialite couple, whose Start of Darkness began when she murdered her babysitter after discovering that she raped her brother, Forty, while using her charms and family's wealth to avoid suspicion. Into adulthood, Love becomes obsessed with Joe Goldberg upon learning about his darker nature, and murders people that could expose Joe, including Delilah Alves when she sees her locked up in Joe's cage and Joe's ex-girlfriend, Candace Stone. Keeping Joe trapped in his own cage, Love tells Joe that she's pregnant with his child to ensure that Joe won't kill her and continue their relationship. When a cop kills Forty for holding Joe at gunpoint, Love pins both their murders on her deceased brother, getting exonerated and allowing herself and Joe to move into the suburbs to start their family.
  • Misaimed Fandom: The entire point of the story is that Joe is, in fact, a bad guy and a loathsome human being, and yet, people find themselves swooning for him.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Joe murdering Beck, then framing Dr. Nicky for it. Up until this point his victims weren't any better than himself.
    • Henderson is revealed to have crossed it when he molested Delilah when she was 17.
    • Love crossed it when she murdered Delilah, who had done nothing wrong by Love and was handcuffed in Joe's prison, so she couldn't defend herself.
    • From Joe's point of view, Forty crossed this when he bribed a newly-wed couple into letting him kiss the bride, which Joe saw as an attempt to poison the happiness of others for Forty's own twisted sense of amusement. The bride herself was visibly uncomfortable while he was kissing her.
    • Ray and Dottie Quinn crossed it when they allowed their au pair to have sex with their 13-year-old son.
  • Narm:
    • The wide-eyed, clenched jawed face Joe makes when he's in a dangerous mood (such as when Candace is leaving him or when Beck tries to escape after discovering his true nature) can come off as unintentionally silly to some.
    • Beck not having curtains despite living on the ground floor of a very busy street, which many viewers thought was a very hilariously contrived way of giving Joe a way to spy on her sex life.
  • Nausea Fuel:
    • Benji's decomposing corpse.
    • Joe’s various creeper habits, such as stealing and sniffing Beck’s panties. Special mention goes to him keeping used tampons.
    • Joe killing a loan shark and turning his body into mincemeat.
  • Paranoia Fuel:
    • Just about everyone Beck interacts with wants to possess her.
    • So you meet a sweet, intelligent guy you have loads in common with, and you two have a whirlwind courtship that seems to perfectly coincide with everything else in your life getting better... except people who have bothered you have disappeared, and that sweet guy is keeping very close tabs on you. Way, way too close. So you call it quits, and from there, things get way worse. Happy dating, ladies!
      • And the second season shows that those attracted to women won't get off easily either. That sweet, attentive, lovable, mature girl you've developed feelings for? She's a Yandere who has killed innocent people to "protect" you and those she cares about, and there's a chance you'll be trapped into being with her... Forever.
  • Ron the Death Eater:
    • Related to the Draco in Leather Pants phenomenon above, some fans do this to Beck, exaggerating her admittedly true personality flaws (and even accusing her of ones she doesn’t have) and going so far as to imply or even directly state that she “deserved” what Joe does to her.
    • Some fans also do this to Paco, mostly because he runs away after Beck begs him to help her escape, leaving her to be murdered by Joe. Never mind that he's a scared child, or that after seeing Joe kill Ron, he's warned by Joe that if anyone finds out, he'd be taken away from his mom, which explains why he leaves Beck to her fate when she starts screaming that Joe has 'killed people.'
    • Ellie to some, not enjoying her Bratty Teenage Daughter behavior and the fact that she's an obvious replacement for Paco.
    • Also, in an example of "making a villainous character significantly more evil", there's Love in Season 2. Love is definitely a villain. She killed several people, but her Moral Event Horizon is almost certainly murdering Delilah, solely to protect Joe. However, a large chunk of the audience are especially keen to see her as "worse" than Joe, which overlooks the fact that Joe is also a murderer of both guilty people (Henderson, Peach) and innocent people (Beck), and framed Dr. Nicky for all his crimes.
  • Rooting for the Empire: It's almost impossible to dislike Joe, especially in the TV series. He presents a likable personality, while most of his victims arguably had it coming. This was likely intentional (to an extent) on the part of the creators, however, and most viewers will be jerked back to their sense by the time Joe murders Beck. As for those who still don’t get the point afterward- see Misaimed Fandom above.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Paco and Claudia. They're mentioned at the end of Season 1 to be moving to California but although Joe also moves to California in Season 2, we...simply never see them again, nor are they ever mentioned.
  • Threesome Subtext: A lot of very weird subtext for Joe/Love/Forty. Joe and Love are in Mad Love, Forty and Love are dangerously codependent, and Forty really likes Joe, who tolerates him for Love's sake. Love insists that even if she and Joe run away together, Forty has to come with. Even Joe acknowledges he's basically in a "goddamn throuple" with the twins.
  • The Woobie:
    • Beck. She's an average woman suffering from abandonment issues, surrounded by narcissistic people who either don't genuinely care about her or really want to fuck her. Then Joe comes into the mix, complicates everything and she's strangled to death after being trapped in glass cage for days. Regardless of what you think of her attitude or lifestyle, she didn't deserve that.
    • Karen Minty. She's a kind, loving woman who's a great friend to Claudia and is actually a good girlfriend and positive influence on Joe... and for her trouble, she gets cheated on and unceremoniously dumped. Ouch.
    • Paco, the poor kid. His mom loves him, but she's an addict and trapped in an abusive relationship with a man who hates him. The only adult who treats him with kindness and is consistently there for him is Joe. Yes, that Joe.
    • The Alves siblings. Ellie is a fifteen year old girl with dreams of being a cinematographer, and is one of Henderson's current targets. Delilah is a journalist with a moderate disdain for men after her experiences with Henderson sexually exploiting her. At the end of the series Delilah is murdered by Love after being locked in Joe's cage, and Ellie is forced to leave town because the Quinns have tried to paint Henderson's murder on her.
    • Forty Quinn. In past he was molested by his babysitter when he was thirteen, dealt with addiction and longed for approval from his family and friends. And when he finally finds a good friend in Joe, not only he finds out later that he is a stalker and a murderer but also his sister is a psycho Yandere.

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