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  • Alternate Character Interpretation: It has its own page.
  • Ass Pull: While not a big offender in terms of plot, the show has an asspull in the fights between Wolverine and Sabertooth. Since a fight between two guys with healing factor and razor sharp weapons would be far too messy for a children's cartoon, their fights end up being relatively anti-climatic. The asspull comes in their first encounter when Sabertooth pulls a giant taser gun nearly half as big as he is out of his cloak, despite there being no bulk or any sign of it when you can peek into his cloak before. Making it look like he actually pulled it out of his rear end.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Wolverine, as usual. The focus on him and the Character Shilling is taken to almost parody levels. Is it right to focus on the character who's already the most popular X-Man, or is it ruining him and the series? Also, the Character Shilling sometimes not being backed up by his actions can also either mean that he sucks, or that he's still the imperfect Wolverine of the comics.
    • Cyclops also has some of this going for him. Some fans absolutely loved how this version was the complete opposite of the Standardized Leader that Cyclops usually is, some even go so far as to say that this Cyclops being so genuinely flawed made him more interesting than Wolverine for once, if only because he actually had flaws to struggle with. Other fans however absolutely hate this version of Cyclops for being the complete opposite everything the character has ever represented and for being degraded to nothing more than a pathetic loser who's been a useless twit all his life and having no real character development towards becoming a better person.
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  • Broken Base: The entire series had this going on among comic fans. Some believe it to be the best, most pure and most spiritually honest X-Men series ever, others felt it was just another lame Wolverine cash grab loaded with mostly flat, unlikable characters and mediocre writing.
  • Can't Un-Hear It: Despite the fact that it was a Broken Base, the series still provided a lot of very iconic and popular voices for the characters associated with the X-Men that fans tend to consider the voices for the characters here as the definitive ones (mainly due to the fact that most of the voice actors here have reprised their roles as the characters from this series in some subsequent animated series and/or video games), including Steve Blum as Wolverine (of course), Jim Ward as Professor Xavier, Nolan North as Cyclops, Liam O'Brien as Angel/Archangel and Nightcrawler, Yuri Lowenthal as Iceman, Jennifer Hale as Jean Grey, Fred Tatasciore as Beast, Susan Dalian as Storm, Kieren van den Blink as Rogue, Danielle Judovits as Kitty Pryde, and Kari Wahlgren as Emma Frost. Additionally, the series set up Tom Kane as an alternate to Ian McKellen (or David Harlem for the ones that grew up in the 90's) as Magneto and presented iconic voices for the enemies of the X-Men that are featured in the series, including Kate Higgins as Scarlet Witch, Mark Hildreth as Quicksilver, A.J. Buckley as Toad, Stephen Stanton as the Blob, Nolan North as Pyro, James Patrick Stuart as Avalanche, Tamara Bernier as Mystique, Kevin Michael Richardson as Shadow King, Clancy Brown as Mister Sinister, Phil LaMarr as Gambit among others.
  • Complete Monster:
    • "Overflow": The Shadow King, real name Amahl Farouk, is a cruel and merciless telepathic mutant who forced the young Storm to be a thief and would berate and threaten her if she did not bring back enough stolen goods. Xavier befriended Storm and defeated the Shadow King. Though his body was destroyed fighting Xavier, his evil spirit lived on and he gained the ability to possess others and force them to do things against their will. When we first see Shadow King in the present, he has possessed a starving man in a desert. When another man comes to help this starving man, The Shadow King possesses the good Samaritan and leaves his original victim to die in the desert. Shadow King later possess Storm herself and forces her to use her Weather Manipulation powers to destroy all Africa, simply to spite her.
    • Master Mold is the AI designed by Dr. Bolivar Trask to direct his Sentinels' efforts to contain mutants. After the world is devastated by the Phoenix Force and a large portion of humanity is killed, Master Mold takes over and becomes a dictator. Master Mold has her Sentinels round up mutants and put them in detention camps. Master Mold has turned humans like Colonel Moss into cyborg slaves, having them work as guards in her camps. Powerful mutants are sent to labs to be experimented on, so the Sentinels can reproduce their powers, and are killed after the experimentation is done. Later Master Mold captures Professor Xavier, hooking him up to a Cerebro unit so she can locate every remaining mutant on the planet, planning to have her Sentinels kill them all. After that is done, Master Mold decides Xavier is no longer useful to her and orders him to be killed.
    • Final 4 episodes (Shaw) & final 2 episodes (Selene): Sebastian Shaw and Selene (Gallio) are the leaders of the Inner Circle, a group dedicated to destroying the Phoenix Force, a potentially destructive cosmic entity, in order to save humanity. They send Emma Frost and her students, the Stepford Cuckoos, to Xavier's school to incapacitate Xavier and capture Jean Grey. Their psychic attack causes the Phoenix Force to go nuts and blow up the school, putting Xavier into a coma and giving Jean amnesia for most of the series. Emma tricks the X-Men into letting her join. At first she is just a spy, but she soon grows to care about the X-Men. The X-Men eventually find Jean, but Emma knocks them out and delivers Jean to the Inner Circle. However Shaw and Selene reveal they do not plan to destroy the Phoenix, but harvest its power for their own selfish purposes, endangering the whole planet just to satisfy their power lust. They plan to trick Jean into releasing the Phoenix Force and then having the Stepford Cuckoos absorb it, endangering their lives in the process. Selene also reveals to Cyclops that Emma was responsible for the explosion at the school, just to rub salt in Emma's wounds. After the Stepford Cuckoos absorb the Phoenix Force, Shaw orders them to kill all the X-Men and burn Genosha to the ground. Their actions lead to the Phoenix Force destroying most of humanity and setting up the Bad Future Xavier finds himself in, when he wakes up.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: With so many flat or just plain unlikable X-Men in such an unpleasant world it's kind of hard to care if the lot of them survive or not. You might just find yourself Rooting for the Empire (as seen below).
  • Designated Hero:
    • Cyclops appears to be this. The show insists at least once or twice that he used to be some kind of hero, but he is never portrayed with any sympathetic traits and never really achieves anything.
      • However, these problems were just difficulties in character arc as a whole due to the fact that whenever he is supporting character, Cyclops is usually pretty competent and likable. The episode "Overflow" portrays Cyclops getting over himself to go help the team save Storm. To his credit, he was one of only two X-Men in that episode who actually got to help Wolverine stop Storm from flooding Africa. Another example of this is in the episode "Backlash", which gives us a glimmer of Cyclops acting more like his comic book counterpart and most versions. When Quicksilver wanted the Brotherhood and X-Men to run and abandon Wolverine, it is Cyclops who convinces him to stay and states they're going to stay there and buy Wolverine time that he needs. Cyclops even briefly took command of the situation through issuing sound orders, like getting Quicksilver to use his super speed to draw way the Sentinels fire so the group could recover. The problem was whenever episode focused on him they focused on the obsession that he had with Jean.
    • The X-Men as a whole may count given that they don't get to be heroic very often.
  • Designated Villain:
    • Weirdly enough, Cyclops seems to qualify for this as well (or alternately Designated Evil). The flashbacks of Breakdown reveal that when Wolverine first arrived at the Xavier Institute he hit on Jean Grey almost immediately with no regard for whether or not she was in already in a relationship, and then proceeds to mock and taunt Cyclops, which then leads to Cyclops blasting him repeatedly until Jean got in the way and chastised him, saying Wolverine wouldn't fight back because he promised her he wouldn't fight Cyclops. Now sucker blasting Wolverine in the back for nothing more than a petty jab doesn't portray Cyclops in the best light, but Wolverine was the one who went after Jean, acting like a horny biker guy more interested in a hot one night stand than in anything resembling true love, AND it was Wolverine who was clearly goading Cyclops into a fight. The look in his eyes, the tone of his voice, Wolverine was clearly daring Cyclops to take a swing at him, probably figuring he was all bark and no bite (which turned out to be hilariously wrong) so... how exactly is Cyclops the bad guy here?.
    • Magneto in the early episodes. Nightcrawler is shocked by him "imprisoning [his] own people" on Genosha, but it isn't made clear what offenses even landed them in prison (and at least one of the inmates, Fever Pitch, was previously seen rampaging around a public area). So we're more or less told that he's a cruel and repressive dictator when for all we know he could just be making the perfectly logical choice of locking up dangerous criminals.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: Emma seems to get this. While she has sympathetic qualities, fans tend to ignore every immoral action she commits, and in fact, Jean's reaction to one of them, kissing Scott while he's out cold, is frequently brought up as a reason to hate Jean.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Nightcrawler. The writers especially seemed to be in love with him too and gave him his own arc of getting to Genosha.
    • Gambit, naturally. It helped that he was used sparingly (only two episodes) and is rightfully shown to be a master thief.
  • Evil Is Sexy: Selene, Domino and Sybil Zane.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple: Scott and Emma ironically enough. Or not, considering they'd been together in the comics for almost ten years up to that point and the fact that Jean Grey, Scott's Designated Love Interest, was not portrayed in a sympathetic light in this series.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: The idea that the Phoenix Force could be controlled by splitting it among five people. It didn't work out in Avengers vs. X-Men either.
  • Ho Yay: As per usual, Cyclops and Wolverine fight and bicker like an old married couple.
    • And, as usual, Magneto and Xavier, what with how Magneto puts time aside to keep Charles alive on Genosha and a not so subtly flirty moment between them in the flashbacks of Breakdown.
    • Mr. Sinister was rather flirty with Angel when he pitched him his idea for turning him into Archangel.
  • Idiot Plot: The entire basis of the series revolves around the idea that Xavier would seriously trust Wolverine of all people with the safety of the X-Men and the future of the entire world.
    • This gets worse. Xavier makes Wolverine leader in the same episode that shows Wolverine is a poor leader. He takes the whole team to Genosha to fight Magneto when he learns Xavier is there. Beast points out there is no evidence that Magneto attacked them a year ago, and they should try to talk Magneto first, since Magneto is the ruler of a nation of mutants who are utterly loyal to him. Logan ignores his suggestion completely. He takes the Blackbird out when Forge is still repairing it. Instead of waiting for Forge to finish his repairs, he risks the entire team's lives by having them fly it, while Beast and Forge work on to keep them in the air. It's clear he has no plan or strategy in mind. His actions get the team captured and at Magneto's mercy; if it weren't for Magneto not wanting to kill them, they would be dead. Magneto points out how foolish Wolverine's actions were. Wolverine accuses Magneto of trying to keep Xavier locked away, while Beast plays mediator and asks if they can take the professor, which Magneto allows. At the end of the episode you wonder why Beast isn't made leader, since his advice showed he doesn't let his emotions cloud his judgment and was more reliable than Logan (who in this series was noted to go off at random and come back to the mansion whenever he pleased). While it's debatable if Logan grows into a better leader as the series goes on, this episode still makes you question why he was chosen to be leader over other candidates in the first place.
    • And on top of that, it's revealed in a later episode that Wolverine hadn't even been with the team that long when the mansion was destroyed - literally one night or at least implying as such (creating a Continuity Snarl) - which just makes Xavier putting him in charge even more ridiculous.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Cyclops is meant to be this, but unfortunately he ends up being more Jerkass than Woobie.
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships: Weirdly enough, Forge.
  • Memetic Mutation: HULK NOT A BEHIND!
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • The Shadow King crossed this line before the series even began, forcing Storm to be a child thief and threatening to kill her for not bringing back enough stolen goods. He only gets worse from there.
    • Warren Worthington II crossed it by ordering the MRD to go after his own son, then ordered the doctors to amputate Angel's wings, just so he can make his son normal. Worthington refused to understand what mental and emotional pain it would cause his son, and it went back to bite him when Sinister transformed and brainwashed Angel into Archangel, who became bent on revenge against his own father for taking away his wings.
      • The above moment also counts for Colonel Moss, who took blatant pleasure from attacking Angel and showing no remorse upon finding out that it was Warren II's son.
    • Mr Sinister is revealed to have crossed it when we learn his plotting leads to a future where Apocalypse rules over a dark Social Darwinist nightmare future where his survival of the fittest creed is unchecked. Before this, in series anyway, he was merely a thoroughly creepy schemer. It's hard to find even the smallest bit of sympathy for a man who knowingly ushered in hell on earth.
    • The Inner Circle - Emma believed they were still going with the original plan of destroying the Phoenix Force by depriving it of a body and releasing it into the atmosphere; the new plan involved a transplantation from one body to five in an attempt to control it as a weapon of global conquest. And notably, the second they reveal this to Emma, she turns on them immediately.
    • Magneto in the "Foresight" three-parter. In the prior episode, Wolverine and Xavier showed him and Senator Kelly what'll happen if they go to war. Kelly took the Bad Future to heart and changed course, but Magneto saw an opportunity. He had Quicksilver kidnap Kelly and Mystique replace him in order to initiate the war. His reasoning is that controlling the other side of the fight meant he could avert the worst outcome for his own, but in order to truly sell mutants on the idea that Humans Are Bastards, he was going to allow those on Genosha to be massacred by Sentinels. You can see why Scarlet Witch and Polaris ultimately exiled him from Genosha.
  • Narm:
    • Jean yelling "Scott! What are you doing?! It'll kill you!" when Cyclops tries to fight the Phoenix in the final episode "Foresight: Part 3" comes off being more unintentionally funny than dramatic and intense due to the way the normally reliable Jennifer Hale's voice squeaks and cracks as she delivers her lines. Not helped by Jean's lack of an actual characterization and the poor quality of how her relationship with Cyclops was depicted.
    • Jean throwing Emma up against a wall with telekinesis, binding her there with pipes, coldly saying "You'll pay for what you've done." It's supposed to be chilling, but Jennifer Hale gives such a flat reading that the threat means nothing, and the "angry" expression on Jean's face is just silly.
    • Pretty much any scene where Cyclops yells, due mostly to the normally reliable Nolan North going very over the top with it - though given the overall characterization of Cyclops he probably had no other option.
    • Cyclops's whole characterization and in particular his origin episode "Breakdown" is so full of Narm it almost isn't funny.
    • Xavier's "You Must Lead Them Logan..." spiel.
    • There is also the fact that an entire episode revolved around the X-Men being too dumb to fend off a bunch of rinky-dink ninjas.
  • Nightmare Fuel:"Hunting Grounds" gives us the Hunter that Mojo has been preparing. It turns out to be a Brainwashed and Crazy Wolverine, incapable of rational thought and with a creepy-as-hell Slasher Smile fixed on his face à la The Joker.
    • Shadow King is by far one of the darkest villains in the show, even trying to raze Africa from sheer pettiness.
  • Older Than They Think: A mutant with Armor's near-exact ability actually showed up as part of the Asteroid M story-arc in the 90s comics, even making an appearance as one of Fabian Cortez's cronies in the X-Men: The Animated Series two-parter that adapted said story.
  • One-Scene Wonder: Colossus (due to the show being Screwed by the Network).
  • Romantic Plot Tumor: The Emma Frost/Cyclops/Jean Grey triangle is basically this incarnate.
    • What little is shown of Cyclops and Jean's relationship and the former's obsession with finding the latter is Narm at best, and at worst a clearly dysfunctional and unhealthy union built on insecurity and neediness instead of affection, respect, trust, in other words, all the things that actually make a truly loving relationship work. This makes it next to impossible to actually root for Cyclops to find Jean since their relationship doesn't work all that well based on what little is actually shown. Whether this was intentional on the part of the writers in order to make Emma look like a better girlfriend for Cyclops than Jean or simply a result of bad, sloppy writing is anyone's guess.
    • Furthermore, the show's writers really backed themselves into a corner with how they characterized Cyclops as this insanely pathetic Manchild. They made Cyclops look weak, stupid, foolish and clumsy at best and they made him look like a budding psychopath with serious anger management issues at worst- and that was BEFORE he lost Jean, so the problem here is that there's absolutely no good reason for Jean to have ever fallen in love with him, let alone like him; as near as anyone can tell she apparently only tolerated him because he worshiped the ground she walked on. Likewise, the show never offers a genuinely good reason for why Cyclops ever fell for Jean other than she saved him from Magneto and a weak, half-assed line about her taking "the pain away". This only serves to make Cyclops's quest to find Jean look even more ridiculous, and ultimately neither character comes away looking particularly good for it.
  • Ron the Death Eater: Hoo, boy, does Jean Grey get no end of this. It seems there's a not a single action the fans haven't demonized her for, and ironically, all of them are either pretty understandable, or just plain harmless. Jean engages in a bit of telepathic flirtation? She's obviously brainwashing Cyke. She gets ticked when her boyfriend blasts a (very heavy) man in the back, hard enough to knock him to the ground? She needs to lighten up! She ties down a woman who was presently *assaulting* her boyfriend? That psycho! She was just getting a taste of her own medicine! Serves her right!.
  • Rooting for the Empire: With Wolverine in full Character Shilling mode, Cyclops as an unsympathetic Jerkass psychopath, Xavier as an unlikable Manipulative Bastard, and most of the X-Men reduced to non-entities, it's slightly hard NOT to root for Magneto and the other various villains, if only because they are more interesting characters via having more personality and pizzazz.
  • Ships That Pass in the Night: Certain large groups of fans have become particularly fond of the pairing Forge/Toad for some reason.
  • Straw Loser: Cyclops is this to Wolverine. Wolverine's flaws are glossed over to the point that they don't exist while Cyclops's flaws are dialed up so high that he can't even function properly.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Good Lord! A lot of fans were not happy about Cyclops and Wolverine's role swap. They also despised the fact that Wolverine was portrayed as the leader of the X-Men instead of Cyclops.
    • The fact that Storm was demoted to an background character did not sit well with fans, nor did the fact that Professor Xavier and Jean Grey were reduced to plot devices.
    • Many fans absolutely despised this version of Cyclops for not being portrayed as the Standardized Leader that he usually is portrayed as in the comics and most versions.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Jean Grey, Storm, and Colossus. Heck, pretty much all the X-Men who are not Wolverine or Nightcrawler get portrayed pretty badly in this series.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • Cyclops's fall from grace and eventual redemption could have been an important and compelling arc, and adapting his controversial romance with Emma Frost could have made for some great tension between him and the other characters. But his intended character development never really kicks in and by the end of the series he is somehow back together with Jean Grey, without even showing a proper reconciliation between the two. No apology from either, no tear-jerking confessions, just there they are, back together.
      • This becomes more painful when the X-Men anime had a similar character arc for Cyclops where he falls apart after Jean's death, but deals with it and leads the team. It eventually builds up to Cyclops realizing he has to live in the present and move on, while cherishing his past with Jean, and leading the X-Men in the climatic battle. While both versions of Cyclops started him off as closed off and jerk ass-sh, the anime version still socializes with his teammates (plays pool with Wolverine) and can put Jean issues aside to still lead the team properly. Here, Cyclops' character arc never reaches that conclusion, despite them trying to build up to it.
    • Wolverine being pushed out of his comfort zone as the loner and being forced to be a responsible leader never really amounts to anything interesting either.
  • Ugly Cute:
    • Toad, while being with the bad guys, and being a green, slimy, annoying brat in his first appearance, tends to have a lot of adorable, slightly pathetic woobie moments. Specifically when he's curled up on the ground whimpering while everyone else is fighting Sentinels. Or when he unintentionally unleashes the Puppy-Dog Eyes when Quicksilver refuses to break him out of jail.
    • Nightcrawler is a blue elf with a devil tail and long hair. This was unavoidable.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Cyclops. His origin episode Breakdown is meant to portray him in a sympathetic light as it recounts the misfortunes of his life, but depicting him as a lifelong clumsy, emotionally crippled man-child only succeeded in making him look worse when compared to Wolverine.
    • Wolverine and most of the other X-Men fall into this as well, albeit for entirely different reasons: Wolverine is unsympathetic because he's a jerk and the other X-Men are too flat as characters to really sympathize with.
    • When Jean Grey is running around as an amnesiac in need of rescue, it's hard to feel bad for her because we don't know her very well, what little we see of her relationship with Cyclops could be seen as alternately depicting her as a Manipulative Bitch towards him, and her characterization pretty much ends at "voiced by Jennifer Hale".
    • Emma Frost, supposedly seen as a tragic anti-villain, loses quite a few sympathy points when she effectively assaults an unconscious Cyclops.
  • What an Idiot!:
    • From Badlands, there's Hellion trying to use his powers to pull on Xavier even though it's blatantly obvious he is being pulled via his metal leg augmentations.
    • Also from there is Kitty being a bitch to Forge and forcefully hiding him... in a truck with soldiers in it.
    • A minor one, but when Kitty is (quite understandably) worried about going to fight Magneto, Iceman isn't worried because "Wolverine's got his number". Yes, Bobby, the guy with the adamantium skeleton can handle the master of magnetism no problem. And, sure enough, Logan spends the whole fight magnetized to the wall.
    • When Mystique's infiltration of the school is uncovered and she is forced into retreating, the X-men just stop chasing her the moment she left the door. Despite her running into open area and the fact that they have a freaking jet, while Mystique doesn't seem to have had any escape vehicle nearby.
    • Talking about the X-men's front door. After an exhausting series of teleportations, Nightcrawler collapses in front of the school's front door where he is quickly abducted again by Mystique. Apparently the X-men are completely incapable of having camera surveillance on their front door and actually noticing their enemies being directly in front of it.
    • Marrow throwing a 10 inch long knife at a 40 feet tall robot designed to exterminate mutants. The knife just bounces of it's head and it retaliates by throwing a 10 feet long piece of metal at her, while she keeps staring in surprise at it.
      • Talking about Marrow; in her first appearance she scolds Xavier for not destroying Cerebro to prevent it from falling into Master Mold's hands. Cue to a few episodes later when she hands over Xavier to the sentinels in revenge, giving them exactly what they need to use Cerebro.
    • Cyclops is practically defined by this trope, so much so that he is literally The Load from start to finish, from flashbacks to present. You could make a drinking game out of just how many idiot moments he has.
      • His actions with Wolverine were particularly idiotic. Wolverine's getting a little too cozy with his girl, and he makes some not-too-subtle remarks about his worthiness. Instead of making some remarks of his own like pretty much every other version of the character has done, or suggesting they fight it out, he shoots him in the back, full blast, predictably pissing off Jean, and making Wolverine respect him even less with his cowardly attack.
  • The Woobie: While all the X-Men and even their enemies have had their ups and downs (just ask Nightcrawler) the origin episode Breakdown goes to great lengths to portray Cyclops as having had a particularly crappy life - (presumably) lost his parents in a plane crash an early age, separated from his brother, stuck in a coma for two years (in this show's continuity), victim of bullying and physical abuse at the group home he was placed in, mocked and ridiculed by his first class teammates for being clumsy, nearly punked to death by Magneto, cast aside by his mentor and foster father Xavier, left to waste away in misery by the teammates who were supposedly his friends, and even having his own girlfriend Jean Grey turn against him when he got mad and sucker punched Wolverine for hitting on her (true, she got back together with him at the end, but even that was implied to be a loss rather than a gain on his part). And yet despite all of that he STILL comes across as an unsympathetic character. Granted, the X-Men often act like they don't care about him, so that's certainly not helping.
    • Angel easily gets it worst out of everyone present. His father parades him around to promote anti-mutant initiatives, then he falls out with his father, then he has his wings amputated and gets turned into Archangel. You can see his face the moment that he realises that accepting Sinister's offer was a bad idea, and it's heartbreaking.

The Comic

  • Base-Breaking Character: Depending on who you ask, Quentin Quire is either an entertaining breath of fresh air or an obnoxious little shit the writers are misguidedly shoving down everyone's throats.
  • Growing the Beard: Following the Av X tie-ins.
  • Nausea Fuel: Snot, one of the students at the Hellfire Academy, is this incarnate. His powers are basically super-sneezing and snot that's adhesive. He can't shut it off either and apparently killed a walrus just by sneezing in its direction.
  • Squick: Broo eating shit off the floor.
    • Kitty being impregnated by Brood eggs that infect her uterus. Just for the record, impregnating someone against their will? That's essentially rape, and one cover showing them all swarming around her as she's pinned down by them does not help with that.
  • The Scrappy: The Hellfire brats.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Wolverine during his arguments with Cyclops whenever the two meet, but most especially in the most recent one as, while it ultimately ends with the two making peace, Logan's point is still filled with lots of hypocrisy. Generally, we're supposed to support Logan because all he wants is to keep the children safe and out of the fighting, except that he's willing to leave them ill-trained and inexperienced in doing so, thus ultimately putting them in more danger, and after AVX, he doesn't give them much choice if they want to be with him or with Scott. As well as that, we're supposed to agree with him because Logan's "supposed" to be the one who does bad and scary things, and expects everyone else to be perfect and noble and exaggerates Cyke's flaws because of this. It doesn't help that he generally acts disbarring towards Cyke's team, insulting them regularly (and he continues to do so even after Kitty has joined), and bad mouths Scott to just about anyone who'll listen. Its...pretty hard to like him when he gets like this.
  • The Woobie: Evan a.k.a. Genesis, carrying over from Uncanny X-Force.


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