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  • Alternative Character Interpretation: Hunter Zolomon. Does he truly believe that tragedy will make Wally better, and is merely too mentally unbalanced to realize that he himself could be a hero as he meets his own criteria for a great hero? Or is he just a sad, broken man looking for an excuse to attack Wally's friends and family because Wally didn't help him? Or is it a mix of both? The comic where he becomes Zoom has him note in his internal monologue that he feels like his grasp on reality is slipping away, giving evidence that he really is just that crazy. There is also the entire suicidal undertone to his story. Hunter reaches his goal when Wally takes the necessary step and kills him. He dedicates his entire life to trying to get killed by Wally which just shows how much he's given up on his identity for the sake of "helping" his probably only friend.
  • Ass Pull:
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    • "Because Speed Force" has become a way of mocking the endless crap that happens because of the Speed Force for some reason or another. When Waid introduced it, it was just where the Flashes got their speed and granted them some extra abilities. Now? It can seemingly do whatever the writer wants.
    • Depending on who you ask Doctor Manhattan being revealed in Rebirth to be the one responsible for the continuity reboot is just a cheap way for writers to absolve Barry of any guilt for his involvement in said continuity reboot.
    • The Rogues' Heel Face Turns, which had been developed organically over the course of the Post-Crisis Flash, being revealed to be the result of brainwashing, just so that Geoff Johns could quickly revert them back to their Pre-Crisis characterization.
    • Barry's return is never actually explained, though this might be chocked up to the general incomprehensibility of Final Crisis.
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  • Audience-Alienating Premise: In general, ever since Barry came back to life, a lot of subsequent material has gotten this for how it ultimately only exists at the detriment of Wally West. In particular, Wally being replaced in adaptations of his stories (particularly The Flash (2014) where pretty much every arc is repackaged from Wally's tenure but with Barry Allen and his support team taking Wally's place), the New 52 run where Wally was erased from history and later replaced with an In Name Only borderline offensive Ethnic Scrappy, to even the original The Flash: Rebirth since it involved a lot of Character Shilling, are generally seen negatively by Wally era fans for this.
  • Author's Saving Throw:
    • DC Universe: Rebirth #1 was this for Wally West fans. The New 52 Wally West proved to be a very big Replacement Scrappy, and Wally fans just refused to accept him. Rebirth brings back the original Wally West while retconning the new Wally into the cousin of the original. It worked out really well, since Wally II no longer being Wally's replacement meant that classic Wally fans were much more willing to give Wally II a chance (it helps that his Jerkass tendencies were reigned in by this point). Wally's return also retconned back his history as Kid Flash, thereby retroactively making Bar Torr the second Kid Flash and Wally II the third, meaning even the legacy is intact! Turns out you can please them all!
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    • Dan Abnett's handling of Wally in Titans (Rebirth) was particularly despised for how it removed his relationship with Linda Park, as well as how it neglected to give him any life outside of superheroics, while also keeping him out of appearing in The Flash. So of course, the series eventually acknowledges this, before shipping Wally off to The Flash for a much hyped annual, where his new status quo in the Flash Family is set up.
    • Flash War is somewhat this and an Audience-Alienating Premise rolled into one. On the one hand, its finally going to move the plot along about Wally's family and the missing Speedsters, as well as being a storyline that puts primary focus on Wally West over Barry Allen. However, being that its based on the premise of Wally and Barry turning on one-another and deciding once-and-for-all who's really the Fastest Man Alive between them, some are upset to see the two fighting, or are cynical about the chances of DC letting Wally actually win this given their favouritism towards Barrynote ). Helping matters, the premise is about Hunter Zolomon manipulating the two, while solicits released for the upcoming issues indicate that they will unite together to defeat Zolomon once they find out what he's up to, and at the very least, its cathartic to have Wally finally be able to tell Barry off for what he did to him.
  • Awesome Art:
    • For some fans Scott Kolins is the definitive Flash artist due to his contributions to Rogues and his mark on the famous Blitz storyline.
    • Howard Porter is very a popular Flash artist, from his time on the Geoff Johns Wally run to his more angular, scratchier style in the Rebirth series.
    • The post-The Flash (Rebirth) run by Geoff Johns is where Francis Manapul developed the chalkier, water coloured look he'd become famous for.
    • Manapul would go on to pencil and colour the first half of the New 52 run, where his penchant for intricate-yet-still-readable, beautiful layouts further developed.
    • Carmine Di Giandomenico's work on the Rebirth series, which has sharp angles and a sci-fi look to it, while being versatile in terms of tone. Plus, how beautiful his lightning looks.
  • Awesome Music:
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Barry Allen, for many reasons, splits the fanbase. Either he's an Adorkable and relatable Every Man, or The Generic Guy and a Vanilla Protagonist, with people split on if his death should have stuck or not. This is not helped by how bringing him back lead to Wally West, who by comparison is the Breakout Character, being erased from existence.
    • 'Nu!Wally' was controversial from the start for being a radical reinvention of Wally West for the New 52, but later rewrites of his character and his evolution into Kid Flash, as well as separating him from the original Wally (now retconned into being cousins), allowed him to be Rescued from the Scrappy Heap. With that in mind, many still dislike him for being redundant and a Replacement Scrappy for Bart Allen.
    • Jai and Irey West, Wally's kids. Some considered them an annoying Spotlight-Stealing Squad that killed Wally's tenure, but others adored them and Wally's relationship with them. Despite the controversy, their erasure has been commonly cited as a problem with how the Flash comics have been handled recently while some fans are completely okay with removal of them.
    • Godspeed. For some, he gets fan interest for his cool costume and name, winning out on Rule of Cool alone. For others though, his arc was too rushed and poorly handled, and his obvious status as an expy for Hunter Zolomon earns him scorn and ridicule. Later the character goes through some character development and a semi-Heel–Face Turn which has earned him some fans who want to see him become something of a loose Anti-Hero ally, while others consider him beyond redemption and find the idea of the Flash having a Darker and Edgier ally to be completely ill-fitting the tone of the franchise or just unnecessary.
  • Broken Base:
    • Mostly between Barry and Wally fans; Jay fans are mostly spared this, as there's a general consensus as to where and what he should be.
    • Barry's return, and every subsequent story between that and DC Rebirth. A good portion of fans enjoyed these stories for how they reinvented the franchise and modernised Barry's character, along with Francis Manapul's Awesome Art. However, many dislike how Barry's run caused Wally and the greater Flash family to be Demoted to Extra and subsequently erased all together, along with other changes to the franchise, and consider this chapter a major Dork Age.
    • Before that, there's Johns' turning a lot of reformed Rogues evil again. Many feel that some were more interesting as The Atoner. Others prefer them in their villainous roles.
    • Back to New 52 there is a lot of debate on just how stereotypical Wally West's (who is now biracial) portrayal is. Some think it's fine stating that his delinquent behaviour is justified given everything he went through prior to his first appearance. A second group acknowledges it as being a bit iffy but by all means not too tremendously bad. Finally there's a third group who views it as full on White Man's Burden. Unless you want to start a flame war you better be sure you're discussing it with people who know how to hold civil debates.
      • There's at least one small contingent who wonder why they couldn't just bring Wally back as he used to be, complete with red hair, freckles, married to Linda Park with Jai and Iris, but as biracial. The problem for some people is not that Wally is biracial, but that all his previous characterization got thrown out the window.
      • Both problems were (arguably) fixed when with Rebirth depending on who you ask.
    • Before all of this, Wally's kids, particularly the fact they joined in on the superheroing. For some they crossed the line into just having too many superheroes. However, their erasure has prompted a significant backlash, indicating that many found them enjoyable enough to miss their loss.
    • The Rebirth run by Joshua Williamson, at least until "Perfect Storm". The issue mainly concerns the run's overall quality, as there is generally agreement on what the run succeeds at (like "Kid Flash of Two Worlds", "Running Scared" and Perfect Storm).
  • Catharsis Factor: While a complete Conflict Ball situation, there is something enjoyable about Wally being able to actually tell Barry off for a lot of his shit in the prelude to Flash War.
  • Character Rerailment: Bart, when he returned from the dead in Final Crisis, got back his ADHD and Fun Personified nature.
  • Complete Monster:
    • Post-Crisis:
      • The Barry Allen Flash's Arch-Enemy is Eobard Thawne, the Reverse Flash, aka Professor Zoom. An obsessive fan of Barry, Eobard managed to duplicate Barry's powers. He then attempted to replace Barry, before stalking and apparently murdering his wife, Iris Allen, when she rejected his advances. Eventually he drives Barry to kill him to save his new fiancé before he can kill her. However, Thawne was resurrected years later, and has gone out of his way to cross every line he can find since. Using his time travel powers to edit his life, Thawne kills his brother (who he blamed for holding him back), his parents (who weren't supportive of his obsession with the Speed Force), a professional rival, and every man that a woman he is interested in has ever dated; he then traumatises her as a child when she still spurns him, taking Evil Is Petty to new and exciting levels. He kills Johnny Quick shortly after his own resurrection, tries to force Barry Allen, newly returned to life, into becoming the Black Flash, and during the Flashpoint crossover, alters the time stream further and further to make Barry's life as miserable as possible. In addition, in The Flash (Rebirth) he kills Allen's mother, among other acts, thus indirectly causing Flashpoint. He has no Freudian Excuse or mitigating factor for these actions, but is instead just a selfish man who plans to get what he wants at the expense of everyone else.
      • The most infamous criminal in the history of Gorilla City, Grodd was driven into exile after killing the city's benevolent leaders and ruthlessly plundered the mind of his friend Solovar to discover the secrets of mind control. Combining a ruthless brilliance with a gorilla's power, Grodd established himself as a feared player of the underworld. He would brutally murder anyone who stood in his way or just dispose of humans for the enjoyment, considering them far inferior to himself. Grodd's mental prowess is such that he enjoys dominating and twisting the minds of others to feral savagery or into sycophants for his ego. In battle, he is also highly sadistic - for example, crippling Hunter Zolomon, who recalled with terror how Grodd treated him like a toy he could break. To date, Grodd has made no fewer than eighteen attempts to completely wipe out all of humanity to purge what he sees as a lesser race.
    • New 52:
      • Gorilla Grodd follows his previous version's footsteps, where he's the tyrannical ruler of Gorilla City and one of Barry Allen's most monstrous foes. Taking control of Gorilla City by killing his father and consuming his brain, Grodd tries to exact this same fate upon the Flash in the hopes of gaining his powers, intending to use them to conquer the Earth. Seemingly defeated by the Flash, Grodd viciously re-takes control over Gorilla City, killing all the Elder gorillas except for one, whom he straps to a torturous mental device to allow him and his army to invade Central City. Trapped in the Speed Force by the Flash, Grodd later returns, empowered by the Speed Force's energy. Upon discovering that the apes have made peace with the humans, Grodd impales their new leader, Solovar, and slaughters dozens of humans and gorillas alike until they submit to his will. Grodd promptly sets up a brutal dictatorship, reducing the human population to slaves and killing anyone who even mildly questions his orders. Eventually growing bored of his victory, Grodd destroys Central City, reducing it to a burning wasteland. A merciless despot willing to kill both human and ape alike to serve his goals, Grodd was as much a savage beast inside as he was on the outside.
  • Conflict Ball: Prior to Flash War, as part of the build up and prelude, Barry and Wally suddenly start butting heads. Barry's behaviour becomes suddenly a lot more toxic just as he was starting to commit to Character Development and Wally suddenly loses patience with Barry, to the point that, by the time Flash War rolls out, it opens up with Wallace commenting on how upsetting it is to see his cousin and his uncle still fighting all the time.
  • Crazy Awesome: Bart Allen is absolutely out of his mind and handed Superboy Prime his first real loss.
  • Creepy Awesome: Eobard Thawne and Hunter Zolomon. Take the idea that the Flash's powers can often allow him to do whatever the plot requires, then apply it to a villain who has no ethical constraints about how to use them. Godspeed similarly, due to being an Expy of Hunter, and unlike the Reverse-Flashes, he also has a creepy-yet-cool suit.
  • Cry for the Devil: Eobard Thawne is a Complete Monster no doubt, but the most recent version of his origins given show his past, and with the crap he had to put up with from his parents, and his brother, it's not a surprise he turned out the way he did.
    Barry: Ugh. Trickster?
    Axel: Over... Here... Flash... You got me. Good one. My bodacious bod is going bye-bye. But do me a favor and get my friends out of here before we bring down the house?
    Barry: Trickster... I can...
    Axel: You keep saying... You want to...help me? The Rogues...are the only family... I got. Save them! Please! Ugh... ...I never wanted to be a hero...I just hoped for a little justice, y'know?
    Barry: Hold on, Trickster! I'll come back for you.
    Axel: Would you shut up and go?! For once in my life, I didn't... Ugh...want to be the punchline. Wanted to be big man on campus.
    Barry: Trickster!
    Axel: I just wish... I could think up something...funny...to...go out on...
    Barry: Trickster?! NO! Axel?! Hold on...I'll find you... I'll find... ...you. Axel... I'm sorry...
  • Dork Age:
    • For the main Flash series, pretty much everything from the aftermath of Infinite Crisis to DC Rebirth, a roughly ten-year span, falls into this for varying reasons.
      • Right after Infinite Crisis, Wally was lost to the Speed Force along with his family and this led to Bart becoming the Flash due to Plot-Relevant Age-Up. Due to the character losing his individuality and Fun Personified nature, even his own fans hated it. This series ended as a massive failure, to the point that they had to kill Bart to forget it ever happened and everyone involved with Bart's character has stated active dislike towards it. The creative team of the book said they had no intention writing for DCU ever again due to a terrible experience.
      • Wally was brought back from the Speed Force after Bart's death, but this time the book, once again, faced criticism due to his twins turning out to be Base breaking that some accused of being a Spotlight-Stealing Squad. Mark Waid left DC completely after an editorial clash and the book had to live on life support for a year with fill-in writers until Barry was brought back. Mark Waid says it's probably one of his works he was severely disappointed about.
      • Barry's return was met this reaction from many, particularly those that loved Wally's character, but also non-Flash fans. With Barry's return brought about a sudden demotion of Wally into an extra at best (until being erased completely), while Barry's character was given several controversial rewrites, including giving him a Darker and Edgier backstory involving his mother's murder which many felt was unnecessary, to promoting him as the 'most important' of the Flash legacy that was felt as a disservice to the rest of the Flash family, who all in-turn were given a sharp Demoted to Extra status. General comic and DC fans dislike it for missing the point of the DCU and bringing back a character whose death was highly regarded, and whose resurrection was considered altogether unnecessary. Not helping is that Barry's return also brought back Eobard Thawne, which led to the removal of other villainous speedsters like Hunter Zolomon, Inertia, the Black Flash and Lady Savitar. That Thawne came back with retcons to his history and powers, as well as the retcon of him basically being responsible for everything bad that's happened to Barry, doesn't help him from being seen as a overpowered.
      • The Brian Buccellato/Francis Manapul run. While the Flash book was considered one of the better titles (at least in the reboot's earlier days), its changes to the Rogues (now metahumans, something that annoyed Geoff Johns enough that he personally undid it with Forever Evil), as well as the entire Flash family outside of Barry being erased completely has given it a negative reputation to all but those who the series was a gateway to. The run did bring in many new fans and inspired the basis of the 2014 TV series and has art that's pretty much universally acclaimed, but many older fans felt like it lost a lot of what made the Flash such a great franchise, from the expansive cast to the nature of the stories themselves.
      • The rock bottom The Flash reached was when Robert Venditti and Van Jensen took over. Neither of the writers had any Flash knowledge beforehand and unlike Manapul and Buccellato run, they were given the task of reintroducing important characters like Wally West and Eobard Thawne. They dropped the ball completely, with incredibly divisive changes to Wally West and an extremely inconsistent Professor Zoom, leading to arguably the worst run of The Flash. Unlike the previous examples, which all had their fans and defenders, this run is quite possibly universally hated by readers. Add on Brett Booth's divisive 90s Image inspired art right after Francis Manapul's acclaimed pencils, and the book had turned into a nightmare that never seemed to end. In the end, the series' sales reached bottom again and Geoff Johns had to do DC Rebirth to fix the damage this run had done to the character and his allies.
    • For Bart Allen's character, it seems to be everything from 2003 onward, with only a minor respite in the middle. First, he became Kid Flash, abandoning his individualism and established dislike towards that name. At the same time, he became a know-it-all smartass, rather than an impulsive joker. Then Wally disappeared and he became the fourth Flash via Plot-Relevant Age-Up, losing any semblance of fun and aging him out of his own generation. While an attempt was made to give him a new status quo, he died before anything could be done with it. Things were okay when he was brought back in Final Crisis, returning to his more fun self, and for a while everything was okay, despite the lack of focus on him... Then the New 52 happened. This version of Bart isn't even called Bart Allen, and he has no connection to the Flashes or the Speed Force, his backstory has been altered to be Darker and Edgier, and his characterisation flips on a dime with the only constant being how annoying he is. The New 52 version of Bart is named Bar Torr and his powers come from being stranded on a planet (it's never explained how he actually got them), he's a rebel leader who abandoned his crusade against his oppressors once his long-lost sister was injured (apparently he didn't know civilian casualties are a thing when you fight in civilian-populated areas) and his fun personality is an act... until it's not... until it is again, and apparently all of this was part of his plan or... something. This version of "Bart" has been abandoned by DC, and is universally loathed by Bart's fans, Flash fans, DC Comics fans and just comic readers in general.
  • Draco in Leather Pants:
    • In recent years a lot of the Rogues (the exceptions seeming to be both Captain Boomerangs and the second Trickster) have been getting this. While some of them are sympathetic and most of them do have standards, that doesn't change the fact that several of them have done some genuinely awful things from time to time. The fact that many of them went through a Heel–Face Turn at different points probably plays into things.
    • Inertia. While he does have tragic elements and went through a fate nobody deserved, he's still a sociopath, even more insane then Zoom, and he organized the murder of Bart Allen.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Impulse in Young Justice.
    • Wally defaulted into this role after he was Demoted to Extra following Barry's return.
    • Hunter Zolomon is pretty popular, if only because of his interesting motivation, badassery (being the fastest being alive) and complicated relationship and history with Wally and his supporting cast.
    • Eobard Thawne has become incredibly popular over recent years to a point he falls under Love to Hate at this point. Some fans (especially from TV show) even admit that they find Thawne to be a much more entertaining character than Barry himself.
    • Irey West, especially in her original incarnation as the (Kid) Flash of the Kingdom Come universe. It's not hard to find fanfic and fanart of her either as Impulse, Kid Flash or the Flash.
    • The biggest would have to be Jay Garrick (pre-Flashpoint). While he's mostly a supporting character, even within JSA, and doesn't really develop, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't like him. As a mentor character, he's one of the more popular, and people are always glad to see him whenever he appears. And, like Wally West, he's come to symbolise more in the Rebirth era, specifically referred to as someone who brings hope.
    • The larger Flash Family in general, as outside of Wally they're among the biggest things people have wanted to see revived. Though Jay and Bart are already stated, Jesse Quick and Max Mercury are both fairly popular, the former for being (for a while) the only female speedster, being something of a Cool Big Sis to Bart and something of a Distaff Counterpart to Wally (who's costume choices also make her something of the Ms. Fanservice of The Flash), while Max is well liked for similarly being a likeable mentor figure like Jay, but with more mystery to him as he's supposedly been around for centuries under different names, and also being a huge Deadpan Snarker who hides it behind his 'Zen master of Speed' persona. Johnny Quick isn't quite as popular, mostly because he, like Barry, is seen as better deadnote .
  • Evil Is Cool:
  • Evil Is Sexy: Blacksmith.
  • Fashion-Victim Villain: Rainbow Raider. To be fair, he's colorblind.
  • Fandom Rivalry: Similar to the Green Arrow comics and Arrow, there is quite a split between fans of the Flash comics and fans of the 2014 TV series, particularly after the second season onward. The show takes inspiration from the New 52 era and is focused on Barry Allen (in fact, is largely responsible for cementing Barry as the 'dominant' Flash in public domain), and its treatment of Wally West is controversial even within its own fandom, so a lot of this is an extension of the Wally/Barry fandom split, but even besides that the show features a lot of Adaptational Decay and In Name Only, and so a lot of fans resent that the show's version of many characters that suffer this (particularly Zoom) is the dominant one in public memory because of the wider audience the show reachesnote . Conversely, because of how different they are, many show-originating fans tend to scoff at the comics, particularly those that predate the show, with some believing that TV!Barry is a 'superior' protagonist because he combines 'the best' aspects of both Barry and Wally, and consider the various changes to be vast improvements.
  • Fandom-Specific Plot: There is a lot of fanon surrounding Wally, especially in fanfics. His father being horribly abusive, (which does have some basis in canon but not to the Up to Eleven qualities in fanworks), is common.
    • There's also him having a weird child-parent relationship with the Rogues due to the fact that they don't hurt kids in most continuities. This relationship includes them kidnapping him to take him to fun parks, and Flash/Barry being perfectly fine with the enemies that try to kill him on a daily basis kidnapping his nephew.
    • A lot of fans seem to believe that he went to high-school with James Jesse (Trickster I) and Hartley Rathaway (Pied Piper.) While Piper was later retconned into being closer to Wally's age once they became allies Wally was already well into his twenties by this point and The Trickster has always been consistently older than him.
    • If there's a fan-story about a late teens/early twenties Wally having to overcome insecurities chances are the climax (or an event a little before the climax) will take from his epic beat down of Brainiac-ified Lex Luthor in the Justice League cartoon by having him running around the world multiple times in the matter of nanoseconds to beat the villain, only to overuse his energy and fall into the Speed Force leading to his supporting cast having to reach in and pull him out.
  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • Fans and writers alike agree on pretending Bart has never become Flash.
    • And now it's unanimously agreed within fandom that Robert Venditti & Van Jensen's run on the Flash never happened. Nope!
  • Gateway Series: The Brian Buccellato/Francis Manapul run brought in a lot of new readers, due to launching with the New 52. Though the quality is contested by older fans, this run's simpler take on a single speedster (Barry Allen), based largely on Geoff Johns' rewrite of Barry, accompanied by Manapul's highly regarded artwork, made it easier for newer fans to jump into. The fact it largely inspired the 2014 TV series likely adds to this as many would have jumped onto the series from that.
  • Growing the Beard: Vol. 2 (Wally's series) started getting stubble with William Messner-Loebs's run, in which Wally started toning down his cockiness and his girlfriend Linda Park was introduced. Then Mark Waid came on and the beard had officially grown out.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: The Return of Barry Allen has Wally and Barry/Eobard teaming up to defend a mobster named Handsome Jack Giacomo from his rivals.
    • Kilgore huh? An evil robot? Doesn't that sound familiar?
    • One of the names Leonard Snart considered before choosing Captain Cold was Sub-Zero.
  • Hype Aversion: "The Flash faces a dangerous brand new foe... someone who is FASTER than him!" doesn't fly with fans anymore, especially not after the TV show. This unfortunately lead to Badass Decay of the Reverse-Flash concept, since they are not really rare anymore.
  • Hype Backlash:
    • Basically the main fuel for the Barry-vs-Wally Fandom Rivalry. Newer fans of Barry, such as those introduced during after his return, during the New 52 run, or from the TV series, have had this reaction to Wally; since so much praise is heaped on his tenure as the iconic Flash run, and many of his fans like to go on at-length about how great he was, some who don't connect to him as well tend to get pretty annoyed at his fanbase, and him in-turn. What didn't help was that, while he wasn't the only character erased by the New 52 (who all had fans clamouring, loudly, for them to be restored), Wally was the one who got restored lastnote , which meant that his fanbase grew louder and more tireless, and thus more obnoxious looking to outside viewers.
  • Internet Backdraft: Who's faster, the Flash or Superman? Power level discussions involving the Flash tend to not be pretty.
    • Wally or Barry? There is no way that discussion will end up being pretty.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks!: Fandom has recently fell into huge Hype Aversion due to an overuse of evil speedsters. Both the TV show and New 52 comics heavily relying on Speed Force antics already tired fans when it came to speedster villains or anything related to the Speed Force itself (beyond it being the source of superspeed) so when it was announced that the Rebirth series' first arc would be dealing with yet another evil speedster, fans mostly reacted with unamused groans. Even though Godspeed's unique design attracted some interest at first, his story and motivations turning out to be very similar to the fan favorite villain Hunter Zolomon's caused this reaction and further confirmed the how speedster villains beyond Reverse Flashes are unnecessary.
    • The reveal of Black Hole's leader being revealed as Raijin and Meena's Face–Heel Turn also faced this reaction not only by old fans but also by TV show fans who recently started reading comics. From Raijin's "evil organization", his Theme Naming to his design; it's very clearly inspired by both comics and TV show versions of Savitar. Meanwhile there are obvious similarities between Meena and Christina Alexandrova by the same extension.
  • Jerkass Woobie:
    • Captain Cold and Golden Glider.
    • Many Impulse fans see Inertia as this at the very least, based off the Mercury Falling arc. There's actually a good deal of alternate universe fanfic and fanart branching off from this point.
    • Peek-a-Boo. She just wanted to help her sick father and her powers are the definition of Blessed with Suck.
    • Zoom, whose life is... Just messed up. It's even a stretch to call him a Jerkass, since he genuinely wants to help his friend, he just has such a twisted view of reality that his attempts to help end up being horrifying.
    • Part of Wally's character arc is he starts like this; as Kid Flash he was the token jerk of the New Teen Titans and his initial arcs after becoming The Flash were him being a jerk to women and arguing with his mom. Over the course of Messner-Loeb's run, it became clear Wally's life was pretty miserable due to his shaky financial situation and the problems with his parents. By the end of Loeb's run, Wally had gone through enough character development that the Jerkass part had faded, allowing Waid to instead write him as a solid Woobie.
  • Just Here for Godzilla: After The Flash: Rebirth, the majority reason a lot of people have kept up with The Flash has been for when Wally shows up. After DC Rebirth this evolved into being for when Wally shows up, when Wallace shows up, or to wait for when the larger Flash Family (particularly Jay Garrick) finally show up.
  • Love to Hate: Eobard Thawne.
  • Obvious Judas: In the Rebirth ongoing, August Heart as Godspeed. He's the first new character to be introduced, in a Remember the New Guy? manner, with a convenient Freudian Excuse right away...
  • Older Than They Think: Having the New 52 version of Wally repackaged as the original Wally's cousin rather than him in a rebooted universe, thus creating two Wally's, caused some bemusement and confusion at having 'two' characters with the same legal name. Its actually a pre-established trend among the Allen-West family to do this, as there's both Bartholomew 'Barry' Allen and Bartholomew 'Bart' Allen, as well as Iris West and Iris West II/'Irey' West (and to a lesser extent, Irey's brother Jai), so its really just a common trend of their family to name children after relatives. Wally II even begins going by 'Wallace' rather than Wally, following the pattern of having the younger ones opt for nicknames or alternative given names to separate themselves from the older relative.
  • Memetic Badass: A post explaining why "the motherfucking Flash" is the greatest hero ever began on Slashdot, and got reposted everywhere.
  • Memetic Mutation: "IT WAS ME BARRY!" Used as the absurd punchline to some story told by Professor Zoom, usually to parody the idea of Zoom being responsible for every bad thing in Barry's life.
    • The "the motherfucking Flash" rant above is in itself a meme among Flash fans.
    • He could explode their heads with his pinkie! note 
    • Barry messing up timelines, often with disastrous affects. In-universe he only does this twice note . Flashpoint is considered a definitive fuck up on his part in most circles, even though he was mostly trying to fix Thawne's meddling but that doesn't matter to the fans. He's forever an (comedic) inconsiderate jerk who messes with timelines for lulz. NOT helped by his Arrow-verse counterpart, who has messed with the timeline on multiple occasion. In fact, Arrow-verse!Barry arguably caused the use of this meme to be taken Up to Eleven.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • The first Reverse-Flash crossed it when he killed Iris Allen (she got better).
    • Gorilla Grodd when he ate an entire country in JLA: Classified.
    • The second Reverse-Flash crossed it when he caused Linda Park to miscarriage.
    • Blacksmith crosses it when she causes Fallout to give Joan Garrick cancer! All just to get Jay out of Keystone.
    • Rudy West crossed it when he tried to kill his own wife as part of a scheme to make Wally join the Manhunters.
  • More Popular Replacement: The second Flash, Wally West, is considered by a lot of readers to be an improvement over his predecessor, Barry Allen. In fact, he is seen as the Flash by a considerable chunk of the fanbase and it's not uncommon for modern interpretations of Barry to incorporate some aspects of Wally's personality to his own in an attempt to make up for this (which, generally, isn't super popular with fans).
  • Never Live It Down: Relating to the above meme, Barry messing with timelines. The fans will likely never let it go.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • Professor Zoom. He killed Iris by phasing his hand into her head, and when a woman he was interested in denied his advances, he tortured her till she was reduced to a vegetable and killed everyman she ever dated.
    • Hunter Zolomon as Zoom adopts this trope. He murders innocent people close to superheroes, will not hesitate to kill anybody who gets in his way, and he thinks that his actions are improving other heroes. He truly thought that he was helping Wally when he tried to kill his pregnant wife. The worst part? He's even faster than the Flash, and can punch Wonder Woman across entire continents.
    • Black Flash can come off as this at times, due to his his purpose as The Grim Reaper for speedsters as well as his unsettling character design.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Every single speedster has suffered this in someway. Jay Garrick is the only one with immunity, only because he was the first.
    • Wally for Barry, at first.
    • Bart's brief tenure as the Flash, which was thankfully reversed.
    • Iris claimed the name of Impulse and fanboys have raged as result.
    • Post Rebirth, Barry for Wally. It also doesn't help that DC decided to demote Wally's role to the point where his current status in their new reboot wasn't even shown for two and a half years.
    • The New 52 incarnations of Wally and Bart for their pre-Flashpoint incarnations. Noticeably, once the classic, original Wally West was brought back without disposing of Nu-Wally, people were much more willing to give Nu-Wally a chance because he wasn't replacing Wally anymore.
    • Even the Reverse-Flashes suffer from this. The Flash (Rebirth) brought back Thawne, but Final Crisis: Rogues Revenge discarded the two new Reverse-Flashes, Zolomon and Inertia. It doesn't help that Thawne and Zolomon are very different characters.
    • Patty Spivot for Iris West as Barry's love interest in the New 52.
    • The second Trickster for the first. Eventually, those the grew fond of the new Trickster felt this way about the first. It doesn't help that DC gave the Trickster a homophobia shtick once he went bad again, when he had never displayed it before, and was a friend of the Pied Piper's.
    • The New 52 Eobard Thawne is hated by fans of every Reverse-Flash, yes even fans of Eobard Thawne.
      • He's hated by Eobard Thawne fans because his motivation and backstory are just so contrived and stupid. Instead of making him a straight-up villain, the writers write him as someone who believes he is a good guy... Depending on the Writer, since his characterization seems to change between issues, from someone who believes he's a good person to someone who's an asshole. His overall villain plan is full of plotholes and contrived reasoning, as opposed to Eobard who had the simple goal of fucking with Barry's life since he couldn't kill Barry. He's just poorly written in his motivation and personality, when the Pre-New 52 Eobard Thawne was written as a Complete Monster, and delighted in how much of a prick he was.
      • Hunter Zolomon fans hate him because the New 52 Eobard is blatantly a poor attempt to blend both Pre-New 52 Eobard and Hunter into a single character, but with the Eobard traits dominating entirely. New 52 Thawne's powers and costume are more like Hunter's, when they never used to be. Not to mention that the New 52 already had someone with Hunter's powers — along with general theme — in Daniel West. At the same time, New 52 Eobard does not have anything else from Hunter; nothing to make him sympathetic or an excuse for his insanity, nor does he have an interesting relationship with the Flash.
      • Daniel West fans hate New 52 Eobard because DC promptly Dropped a Bridge on Daniel to make way for Eobard. Daniel didn't even get to die in the pages of The Flash, he was off'd in Suicide Squad! Though the nature of his death lends itself very much to He's Just Hiding!, the fact that DC wasted Daniel, who had an interesting tie to the Flash in the form of the Wests, as well as a more sympathetic origin and potential for redemption pisses his fans off.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • Wally!Flash, under Mark Waid and Grant Morrison.
      • And for that matter, New 52!Wally once DC Rebirth established that he and the classic Wally West are two different people.
    • Gorilla Grodd: After decades of attempts at turning everyone into apes, Geoff Johns had him single-handedly demolish several city blocks before going on to give Zoom his Start of Darkness.
    • Johns did this for the Rogues in general, whom Mark Waid had written out due to finding them cheesy. Bear in mind that their leader wears an Eskimo costume, most aren't into anything heavier than bank robbery even after The Dark Age of Comic Books, and were considered jokes even before then. Johns' Rogue Profiles one-shots redeemed most of the characters in fans' eyes.
    • Godspeed, after he became The Atoner and went through a semi-Heel–Face Turn, with some finding the idea of a darker, looser-connected member of the Flash Family, similar to Red Hood for the Bat Family, to be an interesting concept.
  • Sequel Displacement: Despite the fact that he was the first, Jay Garrick is nowhere near as well known in popular culture as Barry Allen.
    • Originally played straight but then subverted with Wally West; when he was the Flash, he became the most well known at the time in part because of his appearances in Justice League, until recent years when Barry came back and DC began pushing him to make fans forget about Wally. Even now, among comic circles its still debated on who is the 'iconic' Flash.
  • Strangled by the Red String: Barry's romance with Meena Dhawan in Rebirth comics. She starts dating Barry one issue after her introduction and gets killed by Godspeed in the following issue all the while being portrayed as "romance of the century". The eventual reveal of her being Not Quite Dead and working for evil organization falls flat on its face as neither her character nor her relationship with Barry managed to create resonance with the readership.
  • Take That, Scrappy!: While Barry isn't really hated (except as a Replacement Scrappy) as he is, the fact that he caused Flashpoint, which caused the New 52 gets him a lot of crap from people who don't like it. So, of course, Future Flash, a future Barry Allen, says that if it wasn't for him, Wally would be married and have two kids, and that it's his fault Wally is dead. While the latter is more of guilt for not saving Wally, it's uncanny how this dialogue matches up with complaints about Barry's actions.
    • The Rebirth run in general has done this a lot with Barry, as it finally gives him consequences for Flashpoint that actually affect him negatively and has characters give him What the Hell, Hero? talks over it. This starts with the Sins of the Father arc where Wallace tells Barry off for his ridiculous notion that keeping Iris in the dark 'protects' her, Running Scared which lets Iris find out both that Barry is the Flash, and that he erased their previous life and all her history, then accumulates in Perfect Storm. In the latter, Barry's flaws are given a deconstruction that showcases a lot of the problems with modern!Barry, particularly his Protagonist Centred Morality, as well as analyses the flaws in putting him at the centre of the Flash mythos at other characters' expense. Obviously its controversial among fans of Barry, but for those that have gotten sick of the way DC pushed him, it is enjoyable for him to finally get put to task.
  • Tear Jerker:
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
    • Wally being changed to a black guy has caused quite a bit of controversy. Mainly because many think he will either become an Ethnic Scrappy, or will stay the same, in which case they feel the change was unnecessary. With the annual now out, and Wally is introduced as a petty criminal and Angry Black Man, its easy to understand why people are upset at the change. Even eying that, there's just how massively different he is from Pre-New 52 Wally. Pre-52 Wally was from an altogether relatively normal family that he disliked, as his parents always told him to ground his expectations. But he loved his Aunt Iris, and was a big fan of the Flash, while being an altogether nice guy science nerd. New 52 Wally's father abandoned him, his mom went missing in Forever Evil, he and Iris are essentially strangers (instead substituting his uncle, Daniel West, the Reverse-Flash), he outright hates the Flash for a while, and he's a delinquent.
      • The decision to change Wally West specifically has been criticized since redheaded males get very little representation outside of Evil Redhead or Redheads Are Uncool characters (all stemming from centuries-old prejudices) and Wally was arguably the most iconic male redhead. And since redheaded boys are frequent targets of bullying some have pointed out that they could use a hero.
      • This is thankfully subverted with the reveal that this Wally is Daniel's son, Wallace West III, as opposed to Wallace West II, the original Kid Flash, who makes his return in Rebirth.
    • All of "Bart"'s Origin in the New 52. The only similarity is that he's from the future, and he now has a very nineties-feeling Darker and Edgier backstory. His name is now Bar Torr and he got his powers from beign stranded on a planet... no, there is no other explanation. His powers aren't at all connected to the Speed Force, and his happy personality is all an act — he's actually an aggressive, edgy rebel leader from the future. He started a rebellion to liberate people from his oppressors... only to immediately turn on said rebellion when his sister is injured in the armed rebellion he started, giving the implication that he only cared about casualties when they affected those close to HIM. He's thus given the alias Bart Allen, purely by coincidence tying him to Barry in the most tangential way, and sent back in time. When he discovers his past, he turns on the Teen Titans and this was all apparently part of his plan somehow. All of it has been criticised for Scott Lobdell fundamentally not understanding Bart Allen as a character.
    • Jay Garrick going from a Happily Married Cool Old Guy to a single young man trying to find his way in life.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
    • Christina Alexandrova, the villainous Russian speedster who briefly called herself Lady Flash and pined after Wally West during the early days of his solo book, had the potential to possibly be Wally's personal Arch-Enemy speedster given the two worked as foils towards one another. Contrast Wally's strong personality and desire to do right by Barry's memory while forging his own path, to Christina's lack of personality and constantly switching identities based on whomever she was serving or infatuated with at the time.
    • Jerrie Rathaway, Hartley's little sister, hasn't appeared since her first (and only) appearance in 1989, not even getting mentioned after Hartley gets framed for the murder of their parents.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • Linda's possession by an ancient Irish bard named Seamus O'Relkig could have been a fascinating story, given their natures as two storytellers from vastly different time periods. Instead, it's soon revealed that Seamus is just the Kilg%re in disguise, and up to that point the plot was mostly used for Comic Relief to cause Linda embarrassment.
    • Ashley Zolomon potentially joining Wally's True Companions at the end of Rogue War. After Zoom introduces them to each other, Linda and Ashley realize they are Not So Different. Ashley helps Linda to get to hospital with Piper and she becomes Secret Secret-Keeper for Wally by the end of story arc. Unfortunately this set up isn't followed upon and Mark Waid completely ditches Wally's side cast for the twins once Wally comes back after Infinite Crisis.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
    • Barry Allen post-Flashpoint, given that, however one looks at it, he is responsible for destroying the universe twice over after a poorly thought out attempt to stop Professor Zoom from murdering his mother. While his motives to save his mom are understandable (given she explicitly lived out her life before dying of natural causes until Thawne stepped in), Barry's effort to do so was extremely clumsy and half-assed. This is especially frustrating given the Flash Family repeatedly showed they were willing to support him and Barry has friends in the hero community with experience in time travel. But as a result of Barry's actions, the universe and all of his friends are made practically unrecognizable thanks to Pandora and Doctor Manhattan, while the rest of the Flashes were banished either to the Speed Force or some unknown region and then replaced with doppelgangers (Bar Torr, New 52 Wally, Earth-2 Jay Garrick). Even worse is that, once the original Wally escapes from the Speed Force he's entered a world where his wife and childhood friends don't remember him and his children are missing. Barry essentially destroyed the lives of his friends and loved ones and, while he does show regret for what's happened to the Flash Family, he's yet to acknowledge the damage he caused to the universe (if not Multiverse) as a whole, nor shown any regret or make an effort to truly fix the damage. All this while still being written as a Nice Guy and toted as DC's main Flash when he's probably a Karma Houdini of the highest regard.
    • The New 52 Wally West, when he was first introduced. The writers wanted to add some "wrinkles" to Wally's backstory so people would feel more sympathetic towards his Trauma Conga Line experience. It faced a massive backlash because the writers seemed to completely miss the point of Wally's character, Wally himself coming across as a massive jerk and the added race lift led to accusations of racism on the writer's side instead. When they tried to fix the situation (by mostly ignoring it and pretending character development happened off-panel) it was far too late; this time Wally came across as acting bipolar: on one page being this happy go lucky kid and on another being back to mopey for no reason.
    • August Heart as Godspeed. He's clearly meant to be an Anti-Villain as an Expy of Hunter Zolomon but his motives have been all over the place with his sudden Jumping Off the Slippery Slope not helping his case. Most fans agree that August should have received more background work like Zolomon did, but it's a little too late now. It doesn't help that he comes across as a Smug Snake, and seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of police work.
    Tess Ate Chai Tea: The epitome of shitty cop work: bragging about ignoring the evidence in favor of making assumptions about possible suspects and jumping to unsupported conclusions.
  • Uniqueness Decay:
    • The entire Reverse-Flash concept is hit by this due to an overabundance of evil speedsters within the last decade. Prior to the New 52, there was only really one per good speedster, but the New 52 and Rebirth eras introduced so many new ones that its hard to get too fussed about evil speedsters.
      • An unfortunate side-effect of the TV series has contributed to this; the first three seasons include five evil speedsters (three main villains, two temporary threats), most of whom lost their comic book uniqueness to be essentially different takes on being dark reflections of Barry, and likely in-turn inspired the sudden increase of evil speedsters in the New 52 and Rebirth eras, gives the appearance that this is ''all' the Flash actually fights (not helped by the Rogues being Demoted to Extra in the show).
    • Coming back from the Speed Force. When Wally first did it, it was purely through the love he had for Linda, which was so strong that he could find her through time and space, not just through the Speed Force, and even still it was a big risk using his powers to that level even with that. Then Geoff Johns had Wally barely give a crap about doing it, and Wally was able to pull others out with him, which led to the question of why he never did this before. Also, apparently you retain your personality in it now because reasons. And then the Rebirth era hit and Wally could leave based on platonic love with Barry, leading to the question of why nobody else could do it... then he did it again with the Titans' platonic love... then he did it again in The Lazarus Contract... Entering the Speed Force is basically taking a nap for speedsters by this point.
  • Unpopular Popular Character: Captain Boomerang. In-universe not even his fellow Rogues like him, but fans consider him a memorable and likable villain.
    • Pied Piper in some ways; outside of Trickster none of the Rogues liked him, he was neglected and disliked by his family growing up, and Wally and Linda were the only friends he ever had, and outside of Wally most other heroes didn't really trust him. Fans meanwhile generally love the guy, and many consider him to be an essential part of Wally's Power Trio with himself and Linda.
  • The Un-Twist:
    • August Heart is Godspeed... yep, the guy who repeatedly mentioned wanting to enforce harsher justice, had a Freudian Excuse and was literally the only named adult male character with superspeed... is in fact the male supervillain with superspeed. Shocking, we know. It doesn't help that, after he was "attacked" by Godspeed, he says it's possible it could've been Dr. Carver... whose powers look like the exact opposite of Godspeed's (Godspeed's lightning is brighter than Barry's, whereas Carver's powers emit black wind), making it impossible that he could've mistaken them. In fact, the only reason some people didn't think it was him (the other candidate was Meena) was that it was too obvious.
    • From the same run, Ramsey Rosso being Bloodwork. What, you mean the coroner turned out to be the villain based on blood?! Shocking... Again, the only other candidate was a woman Barry knows who could only be a suspect because the actual answer was too obvious.
    • In the prelude to Flash War, it was pretty commonly guessed that the motivator for Wally to turn on Barry was finding out about his kids, whom were erased from existence by Flashpoint. Then Flash War starts and...yep, Hunter informs Wally of his kids, and that's why he goes to War with Barry or rather, he goes to war with him because, by Hunter's claim, the only way to save them would be to get rid of the Speed Force, something Barry won't allow.
  • Values Dissonance: Rudy and Mary's treatment of Wally was once portrayed as "bad but well-intentioned." By modern standards, their attempts to get Wally to "come down to Earth" would be considered emotional and verbal abuse, especially considering the negative effects it had on Wally's self-worth. Likewise, Rudy has been shown in canon multiple times to be physically abusive of Wally, hitting him for minor offensives (such as spilling soda or chasing Barry and Iris' car to wave goodbye) and Mary has been very emotionally manipulative towards him, often victimizing herself so he'd feel guilty and do whatever she wants. This isn't even getting into Rudy's various cons, him forcing Wally to keep quiet about his Your Cheating Heart tendencies (until Mary found out by walking in on him and some woman) and his involvement with the Manhunters. It's little to no wonder that Rebirth writers have taken to referring to the two as being outright abusive, rather than trying to sugarcoat or justify their treatment of their son like earlier writers did.
  • Vanilla Protagonist: Barry is often seen as this. While he managed to start the Silver Age and reinvigorate the Flash franchise, he is also very much of his time, meaning he didn't really develop much. The world built around him, such as the Rogues, his supporting cast and the Justice League are long lasting and important, but Barry himself has a reputation for being boring. To many, Barry only became interesting once he died and was positioned as the DCU's main martyr figure, and his legacy was fleshed out as opposed to his actual character. Notably, his return has been generally controversial with large groups of fans, and the shift to focus on him has actually resulted in a backlash against him, particularly as the attempts to flesh his character out more amount to making him into a selfish dumb-ass that gets away with idiotic and horrible actions because he feels bad about them.
  • The Woobie:
    • Hunter Zolomon is the Woobie of Flash series and the Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds variety to boot. The poor guy's life is basically one big Trauma Conga Line, starting when his father murdered his mother and was then shot by the police. Things then got worse when his own hubris got his father-in-law killed, causing his divorce, and himself crippled. Still, he was more of an Iron Woobie, with such things only furthering his commitment to justice, until he's paralyzed by Gorilla Grodd. His transformation from a bitter limp cop to Wheelchair Woobie makes the final straw, makes him extremely angry and bitter, and he attempts to go back in time to fix his life. Unfortunately, since he isn't a speedster, all he manages to do is give himself Time Master powers... which slowly (from his point of view, in reality it's less than a second) drive him so insane that he becomes convinced that it's his destiny to become the next Reverse-Flash and make Wally's life more tragic. Throughout his career as Zoom, he's genuinely unaware that his attempts to help his friend are actually causing him great harm.
    • Pied Piper.
    • Barry Allen falls into this territory by the time he came back from the dead with Thawne retconning his childhood and killing his mother and then, Flashpoint happened.
    • Wally West was already one due to the crap he overcame-neglectful parents, mental blocks, power loss, crippling insecurities, lost his beloved Aunt and Uncle at different times, wife miscarried after being attacked, etc-but what happens to him following the Flashpoint really takes the cake. After Flashpoint, he survives after being sucked into the Speed Force, but since everyone's had ten years or so of their continuity removed, he has no Lightning Rod to pull himself out of it. He tries several times to find someone who remembers him but even Linda, his wife, has no memory of him. When he's finally freed after Barry's able to remember him, the two break down crying as Wally has lost many of his memories and so doesn't remember what, but knows that someone stole their memories, but doesn't know who or what, and doesn't know exactly what they took.
    • Minor character Fallout grieves over the deaths of his wife and daughter, who died when he tried to get close to them upon first transforming into his nuclear form.
    • Magenta can also qualify, as her mother believed that she was possessed by the devil, and the cause of the car crash that claimed her father and brother. She was pretty much pushed into heroics by her then boyfriend Wally West, and was later exploited and brainwashed twice, first by a doctor at STAR Labs who created her split personality as an assassin, and later by Raven during one of her jaunts on the dark side. Her fragile psyche and damaged mental health can be attributed to the times that she's fallen in with the Rogues, or any other villain the Flash has fought, such as the Cicada cult.
    • New 52 Wally. He's a twelve year old kid who was abandoned by his father when he was a baby, who's mother is missing and may even be dead, just had his Uncle Daniel (the only father figure he's had up to that point) carted off to prison by The Flash, and is now living with an Aunt Iris (that he's implied not to know very well) just so he won't be taken by Social Services. Spray painting the Flash Symbol and then putting an anti-sign (most likely to relieve both anger and stress) is completely understandable from his point of view. Given everything he's been through it's surprising that that's all he did. He also seems to feel at least a little guilty about causing his Aunt trouble.
      • Lightened somewhat when it was retconned that Daniel was actually his biological father, meaning he only lost one father figure. Still, that's a lot for someone his age to go through.
    • Bart. Dear god, Bart. Especially after the poor kid is traumatized by seeing himself die on Apokalips.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?:
    • Jesse Quick has not had a good time of it.
      • People generally liked her first two outfits (leather jacket and Zettai Ryouiki), but her third was... ugly, to say the least. It was a red leotard that had a 'Q' on it, with the 'Q' weirdly circling one of her breasts, and being composed of a white circle and lightning bolt. Her goggles were now ugly sunglasses, and she wore these really ugly yellow boots that seemed to prove that you can't do Zettai Ryouiki with yellow boots and nothing to break them up.
      • Her fourth Jesse Quick outfit, while generally seen as better than the previous, is also this. It's basically just a read shirt with her Jesse Quick symbol on it and yellow shorts, gloves and boots. A lot of people derided it for looking like she was going to do the dishes.
    • Barry Allen:
      • The New 52 suit, specifically the line work. While everyone admits it looks cool when he's actually running, a lot of people just thought it was way too busy for normal scenes. His Rebirth suit is basically this suit, but toned the line work way, way down.
      • The DC YOU suit. While many didn't like the busy line-work on his previous costume, this time, it was even busier, with the lines being much more prominent and distracting. At the same time, he had streaks of dark red on parts of his costume, making it look like he literally just smeared random red paint on himself. His eyes, which have always been visible through his costume, now had some kind of lens over them, making this more resemble a costume Wally West would wear. And his symbol was changed to more closely resemble the TV show's, which funnily enough changed to more resemble the comic's in its second season.
    • Eobard Thawne's New 52 suit, which is basically Barry's DC You suit, but worse because of off colours and "extreme" additions, like the busy black lightning and weird take on his symbol.

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