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  • Arc Fatigue: With the announcement of issue #9, many readers started to feel this burn, mostly due to the fact that it seemed to just take so long and they wanted it over.
  • Archive Panic: Here's a list of the titles that are a part of the event. And that's not even getting into all the stuff Jonathan Hickman's wrote setting up Secret Wars. Even hardcore collectors have their work cut out for them with this one.
  • Author's Saving Throw:
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    • The Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows is being seen by fans as a long-overdue apology for One More Day. Even if it isn't explicitly the 616 Peter Parker appearing in the comic, the fact that elements of the title are slated to influence the new Marvel Universe leaves many fans hopeful that Peter and Mary Jane will end up together in some capacity.
    • During Emerald City Comic Con '15, many of Marvel's creators have stated flat-out that Secret Wars is not a reboot of any kind, which has at least partly soothed fears.
    • Editor-in-Chief Alex Alonso confirmed that the X-Men will remain a part of the Marvel Universe, as opposed to being spun-off into their own separate universe - although it is likely that the Mutants will be separated from the other characters in some capacity.
  • Awesome Art:
    • Esad Ribic as the artist for the main Secret Wars books is definitely this.
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    • And pretty inevitable when you let Alex Ross do some George Perez-esque cover art.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Doctor Doom is the godlike ruler of Battleworld. Fans are split between if it's cool and makes sense, considering the character's status in Marvel history or they are annoyed that it's basically handling all the glory and honors to him and in the tie-ins everyone has to bend their knee to him.
    • Sheriff Strange. You either think it makes sense or you are annoyed that a cool character like Doctor Strange has been reduced to basically Doom's First Asskisser. In Issue 3 it is revealed that Strange is indeed aware of what Earth was like before the event, and is simply acting as Doom's lackey to fill the role, which may make this better or worse depending on the viewpoint.
  • Broken Base: Marvel Crisis Crossover + Continuity Reboot = a split fanbase.
    • The revelation of the universe rebooting in some form of manner has gotten fans worried. On one hand, there are those who are worried the new Marvel Universe will fall into the same pitholes that New 52 did, including removing Legacy Characters, making everyone Younger and Hipper and enforcing True Art Is Angsty. On the other, there are some who are not worried and feel that, especially with 616 and Ultimate merging, fan favorite characters like Miles Morales will still be around and aspects of the Ultimate universe that never got a fair shake will be able to do so here.
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    • Jonathan Hickman writing the story. Like other favorite targets, Brian Michael Bendis and Dan Slott, you got people who like his work and people who can't stand it. And seeing as he's going to be the main architect for the new Marvel Universe, you can bet your bottom dollar that this is going to increase big time.
    • Then there are the X-Men fans, many of whom are vehemently opposed to the event, as they fear it may lead to the X-Characters being rebooted out of existence to make way for the Inhumans, who Marvel have been pushing extensively. Others want the X-Men rebooted into their own universe, as there has always been issues with having them in the same universe as other Marvel characters. Axel Alonso has implied that they may be going for the latter of the two options. And then he confirmed that they will stay in the same universe as the other superheroes, so that was either a misquote or trolling.
    • The Reveal of Doom's face under his mask. While some praise the looks of the face, some also have rallied because it was expected, after all of these years, to be worse (and some even think that it shouldn't have been as scarred — Doom being Doom, he probably would have exaggerated how bad it was as another reason to hate Richards).
    • The announcement of there being a smaller multi-verse growing from the collapse that triggered this event. While some fans are okay with this (even if some fan-favorite universes will not come back after the event), there are others that wanted a more streamlined continuity. There's also the fact that the "Canon" Marvel Universe will no longer have the "616" designation.
  • Continuity Lockout:
    • Even people familiar with Marvel might have trouble understanding everything about this series and its many tie-ins without doing some research beforehand. This was inevitable, considering how the event pulls so much of multiple Marvel continuities into it. As far as the comic itself, there are those who can justifiably get confused between the many variants of each character running around.
    • The series itself, while pretty accessible, was being set-up by literally all of his previous Marvel work, and the original Secret Wars. Marvel seems to have understood this and published a Prelude to Secret Wars trade collecting relevant issues of Secret Wars and Hickman's works.
  • Dork Age: Its aftermath, All-New, All-Different Marvel and the following Marvel Now 2016, haven't been well-received, with repeated relaunches confusing fans; Civil War II, Inhumans vs. X-Men, Secret Empire repeatedly invoking Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy with one Family-Unfriendly Aesop after another; the continued push for The Inhumans to replace the X-Men along with the subsequent canning of the film and a poorly-received TV series; and in very severe cases of No Such Thing as Bad Publicity, Peter David revealing a streak of racism towards Romani people, Mark Waid openly wishing to attack a critic, and Dan Slott and Nick Spencer frequently getting into fights on social media.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: A number of people have been of the idea that Doctor Doom is the real hero of Secret Wars, having killed the Beyonders and saved what's left as Battleworld and the only reason people are going against Doctor Doom is because "he's Doctor Doom and thus, he's bad and shouldn't be in control". This is despite the fact that he actively suppresses people's memories, sends his Thors out to kill people who don't bow down and kiss his butt and literally commands everyone to fight to the death in their worlds just because they might have crossed him wrong one random Sunday in September.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Faiza Hussein in Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders. From her accidental Dynamic Entry to her Single-Stroke Battle with Big Boss Maria Hill, fans just loved her and were quite disappointed when it turned out the series was only two issues long.
  • Fanon Discontinuity: For some odd reason, the Marvel Comics Wikia treats the Spider-Girl back-up stories not as a continuation of Mayday's story post-Spider-Verse, but as another part of the whole Secret Wars saga. This is despite the fact that Web Warriors features Mayday as a main character and sporting the costume she dons at the end of her back-ups.
  • Follow the Leader: X-Men '92, a comic set in a setting based off of the cartoon series, follows the trend started by DC's Batman '66 and Wonder Woman '77 which are based on the old live action series.
    • The whole darn thing — the multiverse getting annihilated down to just one world, or a few, with lots of super-beings punching each other on the way to that happening; and all in the name of editorial wanting to "streamline" things — is very clearly based on Crisis on Infinite Earths.
  • Harsher in Hindsight: The Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders and its version of Toni Ho shows her as having a loving relationship with her father. Then during her appearances in New Avengers (2015), the mainstream reality's version is shown to be angry at the mere mention of her long deceased dad.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: After the Disney Corporation acquired Marvel in 2009, fanart was being created of Disney characters represented as Marvel characters and vice-versa. One was of Maleficent as the Goblin Queen since it seemed appropriate. But then came the 2014 film Maleficent with a revisionist characterization. The Secret Wars revisit to Inferno concludes with the Goblin Queen resembling Maleficent.
  • HSQ: Just the announcements alone are chock full of Cool vs. Awesome scenarios: from a post-apocalyptic gladiator Captain America riding on Devil Dinosaur to fight Hulks, to golden age World War 1 fighter pilots battling dinosaurs in the skies, to a death race formed from dozens of Ghost Riders across time and space, a legion of Thors joining together to solve Space-Crime, Zombie Superheroes against killer robots and so on. Even the core concept of the event, all the remaining universes in the comics multiverse being smashed together and forced to fight to the death in Battleworld, is pretty high in the HSQ itself.
  • Ho Yay/Ship Tease: Taken Up to Eleven in a Secret Love issue with Captain Marvel/Spider-Woman and Magneto/Charles Xavier. Really, it isn't subtext anymore with these ships as they can be seen dancing with each other in the crowd with the other Marvel couples (Speed/Prodigy doesn't really count as they are blatantly kissing).
  • Jerkass Woobie: Elsa Bloodstone in Marvel Zombies. Her upbringing and tutelage under her father was Good Is Not Nice taken to the furthest extreme, which both explains her present attitude and makes her treatment of Shut Up seem almost warm and fuzzy by comparison.
    • Karl Kaufman, the Phantom Eagle. Sure he experienced the horrors of World War 1 and his original plan to present himself as a hero during that time blew up in his face, but feeling like he was 'owed' something for his struggles really shows that he's kind of a jackass.
  • Just Here for Godzilla: Some fans are tuning in simply to check out the absolutely insane shit that will apparently be happening during the event, like Captain America and Devil Dinosaur fighting an army of Hulks.
  • Like You Would Really Do It:
    • So they are destroying everything? Loki leans on the fourth wall about this implasubility.
      Loki, Goddess of Stories: The day of last battle. The end of this universe — the final death of the world tree. The end of all stories...
      Verity: *beat* Wait a second. You're lying to me.
      Loki: Well, I was exaggerating. Dramatic effect. How'd you know?
      • The final issue of Captain America And the Mighty Avengers has a similar scene, where Dave laments that the world is about to end, only for Luke to state that he thinks this isn't really the end.
      Luke Cage: Just the end of the chapter, man. Wait and see what comes next.
    • Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows is being advertised as the last Spider-Man story ever. Yeah, sure.
    • The first issue of the event is essentially a Kill 'Em All but given the premise of the series, a lot of people have to come Back from the Dead to fight on Battleworld. Doom also saved the New Yorks of both the marvel and Ultimate Marvel universes, along with all their local heroes, before the explosion; and merged them into a single domain in Ultimate End.
    • For a lot of fans, Marvel's bragging of a "smaller" multiverse. The entire problem here is that there's really no way to "destroy" a universe in a way that sticks, just like a character. Case in point, many universes have been professed to be "destroyed" at some point or another (for example, the Age of Apocalypse reality) but still showed up later at some point or another. And then there's books like Exiles and Spider-Verse, where a vast multiverse is the whole draw. Like Joe Quesada and Dan Didio both saying "Dead means dead" years ago, good luck making this stick.
    • Alas, as predicted, everything is more or less back to normal. Even the multiverse is being rebuilt by Franklin Richards.
    • Issue 8 has Doctor Doom casually killing Thanos, who is one of Marvel's largest villains. It didn't take long for solicits to reveal Thanos' return.
  • Mary Sue Topia: The "Feminist Fantasy" version of the trope is played with on Arcadia (see the YMMV section of A-Force for details), and played brutally (as much as Marvel could get away with by giving the miniseries a "Mature Audiences Only" rating) straight on Where Monsters Dwell-although an important part of the plot is that such a place is a location that only a Sociopath Femme Fatale would love.
  • Memetic Mutation: For the end of issue #6: "On that day, Doom received a Grimm reminder..."
  • Narm: Issue #4 of the main series opens with Thanos battling multiple Thors, which would be an awesome scene... if not for an incredibly silly look on his face.
  • Nightmare Fuel: The initial premise of the story is what happens when the greatest superheroes of two worlds come together to prevent a universal apocalypse... And they find out that there is nothing that they can do to stop it.
  • Shocking Swerve:
    • The entire event is one itself if you haven't been reading Jonathan Hickman's New Avengers run.
    • The ending of Deadpool's final issue. Everything seems to be leading up to a Last Stand between Deadpool and U.L.T.I.M.A.T.U.M., with the Merc with a Mouth bidding everyone goodbye as he goes to deal with them. He ends up wiping out the entire organization and leaves his costume and gear at the battle site, declaring Deadpool is dead. Then, at the end, his entire cast is out in the ocean on a yacht when the Final Incursion strikes, killing everyone. Even Lil' Deadpool admits he didn't expect that.
    • Miles Morales's final issue: he is able to thwart Victor Van Damme and HYDRA, but is met with the sight of the 616 Earth as the Incursion begins. The only difference is that, unlike Deadpool, he survives.
    • Let's quote King Loki's reaction to the random Earth on the sky from Loki: Agent of Asgard #13:
    King Loki: Well, that's new.
  • Sleeper Hit: X-Men '92, to the point that it's getting an ongoing series post-Secret Wars.
  • Tastes Like Diabetes: Surprisingly averted so far with the kid-friendly a vs. x as it had surprisingly good comedic writing, mostly averting Most Writers Are Adults and filled with Mythology Gag, as well as Hand Wave, Played for Laughs and justifying (or sometimes, all three) a lot of Idiot Plot from events it was adapting to fit with the children cast.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: While fans love Bendis' Old Man Logan series, the one sticking point seems to be his portrayal of Logan's healing factor. In the original Old Man Logan story, Logan's healing factor had been slowed by his aging. It took him over two days to fully heal a bullet wound! In Bendis' series, it's back to what mainstream Wolverine has. This is less a problem within the actual series and more to do with the fact that Old Man Logan is confirmed to become a Canon Immigrant, and many readers were hoping he'd have a dialed-back healing factor to avoid the problems the original Wolverine had as a character.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • Ultimate End, which was marketed as the Grand Finale of the Ultimate Marvel universe, ended up being a storyline of 616 and Ultimate characters interacting with one another. This led to some fans who had been invested in a decade's worth of Ultimate storylines feeling cheated.
    • Several of the universes chosen for territories were barely glanced over, such as New Quack City and Egyptia. New Warriors fans were especially bitter about the later since the only story that took place there focused on the X-Men.
  • Too Cool to Live: The Frank Castle shown in Battleworld volume 1. He is Frank Castle with the magical powers of Doctor Strange, and is shown to effortlessly kill a Hulk, Ghost Rider and Spider-Man in a matter of seconds and has an open hatred for Doom, leading you to believe he could be a major threat to Doom's Empire... except he simply lets Wolverine kill him instead for no apparent reason. Even stranger considering Frank's usually a stubborn Determinator.
  • What an Idiot!:
    • As virtually every tie in before the story and during the "Last Days" portion state, the entire thing could have been solved (or at least massively mitigated) had Reed and the rest of the Illuminati approached the rest of the scientific community and asked for their help. Instead, they've decided that only they can solve the problem, thereby making the situation worse. Doubly shocking that they went this route considering what happened the last time the Illuminati decided to police the world without anyone's knowing.
    • In Inferno #1, we learn that following a successful takeover by Demonic Invaders, Cyclops and Colossus have a deal in which Colossus helps police Cyclops's domain for 364 days of the year, but on the anniversary of the invasion he gets to mount a mission into Inferno to try and save his sister Illyana. After the fourth try, he finally reaches her and she's revealed to have been transformed into Darkchild, the very demoness that rules Inferno, the disastrous consequences leading Cyclops to renege on his deal... without telling Colossus for 364 days! Cyclops waits until just before the next attempt to drop this on Colossus, who is understandably a little pissed off.
    • Thanos gives Doom a massive "The Reason You Suck" Speech about why Doom is a false god. He then adds that he was a god himself with the Infinity Gauntlet. Doom asks Thanos if he currently has an Infinity Gauntlet, to which Thanos replies that he hasn't, but that him simply being Thanos should be enough for Doom to get on bended knee before him. This is Doctor Doom. His response is to casually relieve Thanos of his spine.
  • Whole Plot Reference: Part of Where Monsters Dwell is a hilariously twisted and subverted/inverted parody of another franchise's mythos (2017 has especially made it Hilarious in Hindsight).

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