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  • Accidental Innuendo: The already somewhat weird line of "There’s a snake in my butt!" becomes this when one realizes what animal Deceit is associated with. What exactly are Remus and Deceit doing when nobody is looking?
  • Angel/Devil Shipping: The basis for Light Sides/Dark Sides ships. Especially when it's Roman or Patton with Deceit.
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  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Half the fandom regards Deceit as someone genuinely good, and the other half holds him as a Manipulative Bastard and jerk. And while one part of the fandom considers him a well-done antagonist with an interesting characterization, others consider him to be kind of weak, thinking that the concept wasn't used to it's full potential or generally preferring other antagonists, like Virgil or Remus.
    • Similar splitting has also come in regards to Patton after Selfishness v. Selflessness and Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts. Half started to see Pat as a puritanical, manipulative tyrant while others (the majority of whom were already massive Patton stans) held onto their view that Patton could do no wrong and was simply an innocent cinnamon roll. The remainder see Patton as having a tendency towards rigid moral stances and so a character that does have flaws, but are willing to wait and see if he will learn from his mistakes before decrying him as utterly toxic.
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  • Cargo Ship: Logan/Crofters. Hey, it's technically canon.
  • Common Crossover: With the Sanders Shorts characters, since they had the same origin. Thomas himself stated that he doesn't plan to include any of them into the Sides canon at the moment, leading to many fanders just inserting various other Sanders characters into the context of this series. Especially Sleep Guy.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: The Dark Sides get a lot of this, despite not having many redeeming qualities in-canon. The fact that Virgil managed to do a Heel–Face Turn is usually seen as "proof" that the Dark Sides aren't inherently evil, however, Deceit still manipulates Thomas into thinking that he's a bad person for minor selfish actions and Remus is sadistic, and physically violent towards the others.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Out of all of the Sanders Sides, Virgil tends to get the most love in the comments.
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    • Deceit hadn't even been around for an hour before the Fanders began declaring love.
    • Remus then beat all records by how quickly he became the beloved trash baby of the fandom.
    • Thomas' friends, despite not appearing all that often in the Sides videos in person, are very popular in the fandom for being fun, supportive people one could only dream to hang out with. Them playing the Sides continues to be a very popular moment.
  • Epileptic Trees:
    • Deceit's given name. Some speculate it's "Dolion" (greek for "deceitful"), others dislike him conforming to the "-on"/"-an" standard, thinking his name is going to be something entirely different, much like Virgil and Remus.
    • Who is the yet to be revealed Dark Side? Content creators generally agreed that he has an orange color scheme, but they can't really agree on anything else. Many speculate that he's Logan's Evil Counterpart, since Deceit is seen as Patton's counterpart (lying goes against the very ideals of morality) and Roman and Remus are confirmed to be each other's counterpart.
  • Evil Is Cool: Deceit. Yeah, he's a bad dude, but he's also funny, has some excellent makeup effects, and is a genuine threat, which makes him much more intimidating than Virgil ever was.
  • Evil Is Sexy:
    • Deceit. Sure, he has half of his face full of scales and with a sinister slit eye, but when he wore his tuxedo in the court room, there were few people in the audience who didn't find him astonishingly attractive.
    • Remus has also been seen as attractive by some, partially helped by how he's not ashamed to get into sexual innuendo and kinky stuff.
  • Fanon:
    • Patton is said to be the master of the Squee!.
    • A number of people like to think Deceit had notes written on his hands in "Can Lying Be Good?" which helped him stay in character. Not that it did him much good in the end.
    • It's also generally agreed that Deceit has to lie, whether it'd actually be beneficial for him or not. This has already been jossed in canon, but still a lot of Fanders have taken the idea and run with it in fanwork, mainly for all the potential comedy.
    • Most agree that Deceit was probably at his strongest when Thomas was still closeted.
    • Related to the above, a very widespread idea that Deceit and Roman have some messy history.
    • Deceit being the mom or dad friend of the “Dark Sides.” The former is especially popular, both to further emphasis his contrast with Patton and to joke about Deceit being a “wine mom.”
    • Picani and Sleep from the Thomas' other projects are usually headcanoned to be the children of Logan/Patton and Roman/Virgil respectively.
    • Some fanart portrays Patton with freckles, partly to distinguish him from Logan and partly because he looks even cuter with freckles. Also, Patton is usually portrayed with round glasses, even though Logan and him wear the same square glasses.
    • Roman and Remus are generally considered to have once been the same Side known as "The King", often called "Romulus" (continuing the themed naming of Roman and Remus), until Thomas valuing the good side of creativity let to a split turning them into seperate individuals.
    • Roman is usually featured in fan-art wearing a crown, so much so that it's become an iconic garment associated with him, even though canonically he never wore a crown on screen. Not even his Sanders Shorts counterpart, the Prince Guy, was ever featured with a crown on his head.
      • Remus, as Roman's brother, is also often portrayed on fan-art with a crown, even though canonically he's a duke, not a prince, and like his brother, he was never canonically featured wearing a crown.
    • Remus is sometimes depicted as being able to grow tentacles from his back, in similar fashion to Doc Ock or the Operator. Playing with his octopus motif and giving him a more sinister, inhuman edge.
  • Foe Yay: There is some, between certain “Dark” Sides and “Light” Sides.
    • In the earlier episodes, where Virgil was a lot more mean spirited, he also made several remarks towards Roman that come off as flirting.
      Roman: What are you laughing at, Hot Topic?
      Virgil: Awww, you think I’m hot.
    • Remus acts flirtatious (read: makes sexually suggestive or explicit comments and jokes) towards everyone, but perhaps most so with Logan, to whom he goes from threatening with violence to deliberately misinterpreting his words and coquettishly going to take off his pants “for” Logan.
    • Deceit and Roman, with Roman accepting Deceit’s compliments and praise at face value and being sincerely flattered. In “Selfishness v. Selflessness,” Deceit repeatedly sucks up to Roman, at one point coyly telling Roman “you know I love you,” which both flatters and flusters the latter.
    • Deceit and Virgil, who clearly have some kind of history and come off to some fans as bitter exes and/or as having Belligerent Sexual Tension.
  • Friendly Fandoms:
  • Gotta Ship 'Em All: As the story went on and the Sides interacted with each other, some ships started flourishing among Fanders. Now we're at a point where there's a ship for everyone, and each of them has got a name.
    • Prinxiety: Anxiety usually gets shipped with Princey, the ship being dubbed Prinxiety by fans. Probably has something to do with the fact that Virgil seems to favor picking on Roman more than the others, and Roman's monologue to Virgil in "Accepting Anxiety: Part 2" was a huge load of fuel for the ship.
    • Logicality: There are also those who ship Logic and Morality, especially after the ending of "Moving On: Part 2".
    • Analogical: The ship between Anxiety and Logic started picking up steam after "My Negative Thinking".
    • Moxiety: Some ship Morality and Anxiety, but their relation is more father-son-like in-universe.
    • Logince: The ship between Logic and Prince Roman got some fuel after "Why Do We Get Out of Bed in the Morning?".
    • Royality: Shipping between Roman (Royal) and Morality is probably the less popular, as there hasn't been an episode focused on them both yet, but still it's got its defenders.
    • LAMP: Also known as CALM, Polyasanders, and Polyamsanders, is the ship between Logic, Anxiety, Morality, and Princey. It has a small but growing fanbase (especially on Tumblr).
    • Now that Deceit is joining the party, we have Loceit (Logic and Deceit), Roceit/Princeit (Roman and Deceit), Anceit/Anxeit (Anxiety and Deceit), Moceit (Morality and Deceit), and DLAMP (Deceit and LAMP). Deceit-included Side ships in the fandom are generally considered as toxic ships to some fans and just as sweet as the other ships to others though, just like the character himself.
    • Demus/Receit: Two alternate names for the ship between Remus and Deceit. Even though they haven't truly shared a single scene together yet, the ship has already been extensively featured in fanart and fanfics. Some people also write it as "Dukeceit", given that for Roman, his title is used instead of the part of the personality he represents.
    • Ships with Remus are written as "Intrulogical" (Remus/Logan), "Intruxiety" (Remus/Virgil) and "Intrurality" (Remus/Patton). Roman/Remus also exists as "RemRom", but is generally ignored by anyone who isn't into Incest Yay Shipping.
  • Growing the Beard: There are several points along the series that fill up this trope.
    • Some think that "Alone on Valentine's Day!", where Joan first joined in as co-writer, is the beginning of an evolution in "Sanders Sides", where characters and stories started being developed to a new level of detail.
    • Others add "Can Lying Be Good" as another point of huge change in the series, as Deceit was the first truly dark and sinister character to be introduced in the series.
    • Others point out that "Dealing with Intrusive Thoughts" signals a new change in the dynamics of the series, not only because it starts discussing more mature content with the introduction of Remus, but also because it adds a whole new level of technical detail in the production of the series, specially in the song sequence that was highly praised for its editing and visual effects.
  • He Really Can Act: While nobody can deny that Thomas is a good actor, he usually only plays one character at a time. This series really demonstates just how good of an actor he really is, you'd swear that the Sides are actually different people talking to each other.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • At the end of the very first episode, "My True Identity!", Roman suggests that the three Sides and Thomas perform songs in four-part harmony in the style of Jon Cozart, with mixed reactions from the rest. More than a year later, we get the 2017 Christmas Episode, which has Roman, Logan, Patton and Virgil doing exactly that with "The 12 Days of Christmas".
    • After his debate with Virgil in "My Negative Thinking", Logan talks about Patton and Roman bringing in a lot of sunshine, and that he couldn't imagine having a debate with either one of them. Fast forward to "Why Do We Get Out of Bed in the Morning?", which is essentially a lengthy debate between Logan and Roman.
  • "Holy Shit!" Quotient:
    • "Can Lying Be Good?" really ramped up the "WHAT" level with the introduction of Deceit, who not only impersonates Patton, but can hide other Sides from Thomas — and force the main four to keep quiet about it. Add in the fact that he's genuinely malicious, and thus the first Side we've ever seen that's a true threat, and you've got one jaw-dropping episode.
    • "Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts" ups the ante again with the character of Remus/the Duke, who is not only threatening but genuinely violent toward other Sides.
  • Ho Yay: In this video, Thomas said that Virgil and Roman have an "on and off relationship", which could be taken many ways, but if the comment section is anything to go by then this trope is the most popular interpretation.
  • It Was His Sled: The Side's real names are publicly known to almost the entirety of the fandom. Its wikia even has them on the homepage.
  • Jerkass Woobie: Virgil, sometimes. He's mean and cynical, but he clearly doesn't like how he's always the bad guy, and how no one likes having him around. Especially since, as he's the Anthropomorphic Personification of anxiety itself, he's hated for literally just being himself and doing his job.
  • LGBT Fanbase: Considering that this series was created by an openly gay actor, with all of the characters being gay, it would've been surprising if this didn't get one. And indeed, the fanbase hands out gay content like candy.
  • Love to Hate: Some Fanders hope that Deceit does not have a redemption arc.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Deceit has a charismatic attitude and is excellent at pretending like he has a lot of valuable insights into philosophy and morality. Spends a good portion of the courtroom episode sucking up to Roman, literally playing to the judge. Ironically, he gets mad at Patton for doing the same thing.
    • Becomes very bittersweet whenever he compliments another character while impersonating a Side, since it's all lies.
      Deceit (impersonating Patton): (to Logan) Thank you Logan, you're everyone's favorite character!
  • Memetic Badass: Logan. Being able to No-Sell anything the Dark Sides throw at him caused this reaction.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • Vetal Miking. This is a flub Talyn made when they were acting as Logan in "Making Some Changes!". The original line was "Viking Metal", which Talyn had lots of difficulty saying as quickly as they needed to.
    • *offended Princey noises*
    • logan.exe stopped working or anything that has to do with Logan and computers.
    • FALSEHOOD!!!!
    • Infinitesimal. Logan had made a mistake in the past with the word, thinking that it meant 'really big', when it actually means 'really small'. Patton loves to bring it up to him, much to his irritation.
    • "Bitchmas", the expression used by Roman during his argument with Logan in Learning New Things About Ourselves', could also be counted as a meme now as well.
    • An image of Remus hitting Roman with a mace has begun to spread on tumblr, with people putting captions over each of them
  • Moe:
  • Most Wonderful Sound: While Thomas already has an amazing singing voice as it is, his singing gains a whole new meaning in the Christmas Episode when Logan, who was simply speaking his lines in rhythm during "The 12 Days of Christmas", suddenly bursts into song for one single line:
    Logan: Fiiiive Croooofter's jaaaaams!
  • Never Live It Down: Once anyone brings up Remus, the first thing they mention is usually him eating deodorant. Despite the fact that he only ate deodorant in two scenes (one of them being the endcard) and has done way worse things, like eating a severed bloody arm.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • When Deceit was impersonating Patton, a lot of fans were unnerved, especially when "Patton" starts mocking Thomas and shuts Logan up.
    • While Remus' antics are hammy and hilarious, he can also be scary. Particularly with his jumpscare and the physical abuse he put the Sides into. His introduction is genuinely creepy, when he causes Thomas to zone out and suddenly hear his own voice say, "Have you ever thought about killing your brother?" Then he appears behind Roman with an evil grin... and a huge mace.
      Virgil: Ghosts aren't evil, they just scare people because you never know when they're gonna [spots Remus, and suddenly slips into tempest tongue] show up!
      Roman: [oblivious] Okay, okay, I take back what I said about ghosts!
      [Remus knocks him out. The others gasp and recoil.]
      Patton: [shrieks] You killed him!
      Logan: Ah. It's the Duke.
      Remus: Boo.
    • There’s something deeply unsettling with the way Remus moves at times, particularly during quick shots as he reacts to the other sides.
  • No Yay:
    • Many content creators within the Sanders Sides fandom have refused to ship Deceit with anyone, as he embodies an inherently dangerous aspect of any relationship (lying).
    • With the appearance of Remus, a significant portion of the fans are against shipping him and Roman as they are established to be brothers.
    • While most of the shipping between Sides is completely accepted by the fandom, shipping any of them with Thomas himself is generally frowned upon, since they are a part of him, so Thomas could just as effectively be making out with his own hand.
  • Paranoia Fuel:
    • Since Deceit's first appearance is to impersonate Patton, a lot of fans fear if another malicious Dark Side will do it again to any of the Core Four or if it happened before.
    • Also, the reveal that Deceit can force the others to keep quiet about things Thomas doesn't want to know about, even things that are important or even harmful. What else has Deceit been keeping a lid on?
    • Remus is the personification of intrusive thoughts. He can strike whenever you're least expecting it and he's only gone when you don't check if he's gone.
  • Portmanteau Couple Name: Ship names are mainly comprised of these. For example, Princey/Anxiety together is Prinxiety, Logic/Morality is Logicality, and so on.
  • Ron the Death Eater: Patton has this done to him disturbingly frequently by the fanbase, turning the sweet-as-sugar father figure into a judgemental, prejudiced and sometimes even violent tyrant. Reasons for this vary from simple dislike for his character, thinking his attitude is overly saccharine and trying to go the opposite direction, to making the Dark Sides look good by portraying him as a Jerkass to One who caused their miserable existences. Even though the canon never really put him into an antagonistic position, and even if it did, he usually felt remorse for his actions or was at least called out on it.
  • Ship Mates:
  • Ship-to-Ship Combat: Surprisingly averted for the most part, with the Sanders Sides fandom becoming known for being the most civil with it's ships. However, there is some discussion out there on whether or not it's okay to ship Deceit with anyone or shipping Roman and Remus with each other.
  • Unpopular Popular Character:
    • Virgil used to be this. Thomas was initially scared of him, Roman detested him, Logan argued with him a lot and the only one who geniunely seemed to like him was Patton. The fanbase however loves him for his good Character Development and surprising relatability. Even after the others warmed up to him, he continues to be among the most popular Sides, or even the most popular Side.
    • The Dark Sides in general are hated by the the core five. They are very popular in the fanbase for their unique concept and their effectiveness.


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