- More Popular Spin-Off: Sagan 4 Beta is significantly more active and well-known than Sagan 4 Alpha, despite Alpha's nearly 15 year history prior to Beta coming into existence. Despite efforts to advertise Alpha on Beta, some of Beta's contributors continue to be unaware of Alpha's existence when they join.
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