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  • Awesome Music: The Japanese ending song Ashita Tenki ni Shite Okure (English translation: Let There Be Good Weather).
  • Base-Breaking Character: Shares a page with the rest of the franchise.
  • Catharsis Factor: After the sheer cruelty and brutality the Iron-Masked Marauder has committed throughout the movie, not to mention almost causing Celebi's death, it's truly satisfying to see him fall from a great height into the forest, then see him rendered completely powerless and humbled by a bunch of Com Mons.
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  • Ending Fatigue: The film feels like it's wrapping up when Celebi is revived by the time-travelling ones......only for Marauder to pop out one more time to try and catch it again, leading to another confrontation.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • The Dark Pokémon are based off the TCG, though nowadays Shadow Pokémon may come to mind.
    • One of the poacher's captives is a Tyranitar, which the Marauder would take for himself as his dragon. Late into the Johto saga, Ash and company would later meet a Tyranitar who also had a bad experience with poachers in general (if you haven't already guessed, it's the mother of Ash's Larvitar).
  • Hilarious in Hindsight: The title. Perhaps this when the studio realized what they were mostly going to be doing from now on.
    • 2 generations later, it would be possible for players to use Dark Balls to capture Pokemonnote 
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  • Ho Yay: There's quite a bit of subtext between Sam and Ash, though it becomes somewhat Squick-worthy when viewers find out who Sam is.
  • Narm: The scene in the English dub where everyone is mourning over Celebi's death, in which Sam says that the forest's destruction wasn't Celebi's fault and that it's too late for Celebi because it's going to die. You just really can't help but laugh at how terribly Tara Sands delivered those lines as Sam doesn't even sound the slightest bit like someone mourning over someone's death.
    • The entire ordeal of Celebi turning evil can count as this, as the Iron-Masked Marauder devolves into a cliched cartoony villain, and much of the focus is placed on Celebi’s CG monster form, which not only sticks out like a sore thumb in every shot, but suffers from an incredibly clumsy design and concept. Not helping matters is the fact that Meowth literally calls the beast a “twig monster”.
  • Nightmare Retardant: The twig monster Celebi was controlling. It looks creepy at first, but as it gets more screen time, it just looks ridiculous and out-of-place with its conspicuous and aged CGI. Even the bellowing sound it utters becomes awkward when it repeats the same sound time after time, making it seem like a stock sound effect.
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  • Padding: The English version adds a sequence of Team Rocket fighting over a peach, which contributes nothing to the plot, even compared to the other scenes added.
  • Sequelitis: While few will say 4Ever is completely horrible, fans generally agree that its the weakest of the original movies and pales in comparison to the first three note , and it's often agreed upon that this is where the movies degraded to being So Okay, It's Average at best.
  • Special Effects Failure: You can obviously tell that CGI was used for Celebi's twig monster, and not very good CGI at that.
  • Tear Dryer: Celebi has been killed as a result of overexerting itself. Ash desperately tries to wake it up, but it's still unresponsive. Ash begins to sob, and so does everyone else, but then Celebis of the past and the future arrive and revive Celebi, much to everyone's relief.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Despite his darker presence and his brutal tactics, many people view the Iron Masked Marauder as an incredibly underdeveloped villain. While his goal to corrupt Celebi and use it to overthrow Giovanni would have made for an interesting villain arc, his motive for doing so is purely based on a thirst for power and a desire to Take Over the World, and there is no insight on the relationship between him and Giovanni. Furthermore, his goal to capture Celebi, the time-traveling Pokemon, becomes even more staggering when he shows no interest in using Celebi's time-traveling powers towards achieving his goal. All things considered, a lot of people agree that Grings Kodai is more like what IMM should have been.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot:
    • As Suede pointed out in his review of the movie, Celebi's death could've been used as an effective Green Aesop - if Celebi stayed dead, it would give the message that sometimes damage done to the environment can never truly be undone.
    • The movie itself also caused an example to occur within the main series: the GS Ball storylinenote  was meant to conclude with The Reveal that the GS Ball contained Celebi, in turn leading into a multi-episode story arc. When it was decided that Celebi would be featured in this movie, the writers shelved this and the GS Ball storyline went unresolved to this day.
  • The Woobie:
    • Celebi.
    • Considering their usual depiction of evil, unstoppable juggernauts, the Tyranitar that gets caught by the Iron-Masked Marauder is this. When it first appears, it's so scared one just wants to give it a comforting hug. And it only gets worse for it afterwards.
  • Writer Cop Out: Some people might see the emergence of dozens of time-traveling Celebi to revive the main Celebi as this, especially since the film, for some reason, faked the audience out once with a previous Deus ex Machina that turned out to not do any good.


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